buno67 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I mean, he listed 90 million per year in total salary and you’re arguing about 5 million of it. I think his point still stands. Yeah after all those guys get those contracts, $5m is gonna be a big deal. He is also talking about making sure to have money to resign those guys. Anyone brought in via trade or FA this year wont be affecting of those guys get signed or not signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrownsman Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 So after reading through this I did end up doing some research on the salary cap regarding Odell Beckham. If the Giants traded him it would actually only count 16 million in dead money for them this year, so they would be saving 5 million dollars on his contract, it wouldn't be the 35 million that cutting him would cost. Similarly if the browns picked him up we would have the ability to cut him after 2 years and it only cost us 8 million in dead money, saving us 12 million in cap space after 2020 when we need to start thinking of extensions for Garrett and Baker. All that being said, 21 million dollars is damn near all the free cap space we have. We are really only 28 million under the cap, but the number looks large because we have 58 million in roll over from last year (a 1 time use amount). So trading for OBJ would hamper virtually anything else we could do this off season. I have a hard time giving that much money up for a WR, but to give up that much money AND give up draft assets? Those are what we need to be using to supplement talent when we have to start loosing guys because of cap issues. It just doesn't seem like a smart idea on our part to make a move like this... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Quote I have a hard time giving that much money up for a WR, but to give up that much money AND give up draft assets? Those are what we need to be using to supplement talent when we have to start loosing guys because of cap issues. It just doesn't seem like a smart idea on our part to make a move like this... This is where I’m at. With success inevitably comes the loss of talent via FA. You need those picks, especially next year and the year after to start to allow for a continued influx of young, relatively cheap talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just wondering where all of this talk is coming, almost like smoke. Did some back channel talk bring this up? did his reps contact someone's agent and say he wouldn't mind playing here? Did he just come out and say he wants to play here? If he did, is Dorsey weighing his options? Or is all of this speculation derived from Media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 No imagine baker hitting OBJ for a 90+ yard TD pass vs the Ravens instead of doinking it off Landry’s face mask... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, buno67 said: No imagine baker hitting OBJ for a 90+ yard TD pass vs the Ravens instead of doinking it off Landry’s face mask... No one is arguing how good he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoffma1999 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 If we could land OBJ for #17, #80, and next year's 2nd round pick, I am making that trade. OBJ is a remarkable talent and the diva issues aren't that big of an issue considering that is a pretty consistent dynamic to manage from the WR position. He provides us an extremely young and talented WR position group that can develop with Baker at QB. As contracts play out and players develop we can make moves accordingly to manage the monetary issues. Additionally, I don't see the sacrifice in draft capital to be overly concerning given Dorsey's success throughout past drafts. Dorsey has demonstrated an ability to find talent in less than premium rounds, which helps our ability to make a move like this. This is the type of pickup that could put us in control of the AFC North for years to come. I would love a draft/off season like: Resign some of our key free agents to budget friendly extended deals, which it seems like we are already in the process of doing, followed by: 1.) Odell Beckham, Jr., WR NYG (via trade of #17, #80, and 2020 2nd round pick to NYG) 2.) Jerry Tillery, DT Notre Dame or Jeffrey Simmons, DT Mississippi St. 3.) Trayvon Mullen , CB Clemson or Rock Ya-Sin, CB Temple 4.) Andy Isabella, WR UMASS or Terry McLaurin, WR Ohio State 5a.)Yodney Cajuste, OT West Virginia, Isaiah Prince, OT Ohio State, or Chuma Edoga, OT USC 5b.) Khalen Saunders, DT Western Illinois, 5c.) Carl Granderson, DE/OLB Wyoming 6.) Kaleb McGary, OT Washington 7a.) Daylon Mack, DT Texas A&M 7b.) Renell Wren, DT Arizona St. This would bring in a lot of competition and potential depth/talent for both the offensive and defensive lines, WRs, and edge defense. If we resign the right people we should still have a strong secondary, but that would be a key area of focus heading into the 2020 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 To add to the negative todd monkin(sp) described balance on offense as 7 guys having over 700 yards, to him it is about 7 or more good players not one star. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Just wondering where all of this talk is coming, almost like smoke. Did some back channel talk bring this up? did his reps contact someone's agent and say he wouldn't mind playing here? Did he just come out and say he wants to play here? If he did, is Dorsey weighing his options? Or is all of this speculation derived from Media Someone asked Jay Glazer to make a bold prediction for this year. His answer was that Odell would be traded. So yes media speculation. And as usual the fans and media are slurping it up like it’s truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: To add to the negative todd monkin(sp) described balance on offense as 7 guys having over 700 yards, to him it is about 7 or more good players not one star. Yep and this fits a strength of Baker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: To add to the negative todd monkin(sp) described balance on offense as 7 guys having over 700 yards, to him it is about 7 or more good players not one star. You can say that when you have Mike Evans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, candyman93 said: You can say that when you have Mike Evans... He did have 1500 yards, but there were still significant contributors outside of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieCamp Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: To add to the negative todd monkin(sp) described balance on offense as 7 guys having over 700 yards, to him it is about 7 or more good players not one star. Yep, that's why Monken and Baker should be a great fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoffma1999 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Bonanza23 said: Someone asked Jay Glazer to make a bold prediction for this year. His answer was that Odell would be traded. So yes media speculation. And as usual the fans and media are slurping it up like it’s truth. Yeah, it's silly season, but it is fun to banter about the "what ifs" at this time of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Yeah I have no idea why they would trade OBJ. The only real reason I could see is to move up to take a surefire franchise QB. There isn't one and they are drafting high enough they could use other resources if they did want to move up. I don't think he is going anywhere. It's the offseason though so gotta talk about something unless we want to get into the AAF. Edited February 14, 2019 by Thomas5737 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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