Gophers World Mafia, Rags & The Mother Aligned have Won!

[Scoundrel]

3 minutes ago, Malfatron said:

you played a part iirc.

i probably need to reread

at this point, im thinking forge is red, and matts is brown.

or if there is 2 brown, its swag and someone else (maybe counselor if sanchez was targetting power roles).

come to think of it, counselor would be a way better target than matts

If you are targeting me I will suspect you. I am town I swear it on my life. I invested Ted he is also town. 

[Forge]

Just now, Malfatron said:

"would have bussed dome"

how do i know that is true?

you were unsure, and then i swooped in and voted dome, and make it seem like you were gonna vote dome the whole time

I have already admitted that in the past and you know it. That argument holds no weight. Doesn't explain Orca

[Malfatron]

Just now, Forge said:

Look, I'm good if you want to Lynch me because you've got a weird feeling, or don't trust me, or whatever. I can't do anything about that. But if you're going to do that, call a spade a spade and just admit it, because everything offered is propped up on a house of cards with no legit backing. 

mafia hates being lynched for the wrong reasons

[Forge]

2 minutes ago, DingoLadd said:

I've been on the "there's more than 3 mafia" train since we killed dome. 

. @SwAg - Spoonfed/Engineer. 

5. @bcb1213 - Spy. 

7. @Matts4313 - Jock.

9. @VikeManDan / Whicker - Protector?

10. @Malfatron - You know.

13. @Ragnarok - Hunter?

14. @Counselor - Trooper.

15. @Forge - Lawyer.

16. @TedLavie - Mother? 

17. @DingoLadd - Pastor.

18. @BringinDaPain - Doctor.

Everyone I can pretty much guess their roles with only 3-4 being up for debate, the only obvious non-town role left is the lawyer. I think that's you because of your interactions with Dome/Orca. 

 

Fair. I can't do anything about that. Thank you

[Forge]

Just now, Malfatron said:

mafia hates being lynched for the wrong reasons

Bias confirmation

[Scoundrel]

There are three people I know for fact are town. Dingo, Ted and myself. Because I know I am town and those two I invested and they came back as town. 

[Malfatron]

Just now, Counselor said:

If you are targeting me I will suspect you. I am town I swear it on my life. I invested Ted he is also town. 

i am just confused on why you are still alive.

also if sanchez didnt try to convert the claimed investigator, he is a fool.

[Forge]

Just now, Counselor said:

There are three people I know for fact are town. Dingo, Ted and myself. Because I know I am town and those two I invested and they came back as town. 

When did you invest Ted? Did I miss that?

[DingoLadd]

Just now, Counselor said:

There are three people I know for fact are town. Dingo, Ted and myself. Because I know I am town and those two I invested and they came back as town. 

When did you investigate Ted? Cu-

lol forge was faster.

[BringinDaPain]

1 minute ago, Forge said:

When did you invest Ted? Did I miss that?

I don't remember reading about it.

[Malfatron]

1 minute ago, Forge said:

Bias confirmation

im just saying in general. moreso than town, mafia hates when someone has a read on them for an incorrect reason, and are correct on them being mafia. at least when you are town, and a townie has a dumb reason for voting you, you can laugh and call them an idiot later.

seems like dingo has a more palatable reason of you being mafia

[Scoundrel]

Just now, Malfatron said:

i am just confused on why you are still alive.

also if sanchez didnt try to convert the claimed investigator, he is a fool.

Because I claimed to be out of a move because of the role block. Then I claimed I had one invest I used up on Dingo. But that wasn’t true and I used my second one up on Ted. 

[Matts4313]

1 hour ago, Counselor said:

Well Ted is town

 

[Scoundrel]

I invested Ted tonight 

[SwAg]

On 3/30/2019 at 12:32 AM, Malfatron said:

DID ANYONE ELSE DECLINE?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:43 AM, Malfatron said:

can everyone agree to decline the weed if offered?

 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:45 AM, Forge said:

I don't know that it works like that. LIS, I was just told I declined. For all I know, it's a chatty coin flip that determined it lol

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:54 AM, SwAg said:

Yeah.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:54 AM, SwAg said:

I didn't have a choice.  I just declined.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:55 AM, SwAg said:

tbf, I wasn't going to bring it up either.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:55 AM, Ragnarok said:

Which night?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:56 AM, Malfatron said:

ah so you were offered and you declined.....

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:01 AM, Malfatron said:

well that could explain why i was never offered anything

the weed dealer may have been told that only certain people would accept the offer.

either that, or forge and swag are scums

 

swag, which night were you offered?

@SwAg

 

 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:06 AM, Ragnarok said:

Remember when you got pissy and made a TL;DR post about me not divulging information or doing my due diligence over the x-post block and how I was going to be a lawyer in four months and you couldn't see how someone in that position could be such a ******* idiot or however you put it?

Were you just being hypocritical, trying to get a reaction, or scum talking out of your ***?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:00 AM, BringinDaPain said:

You too? **** shakes man. Which night?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:06 AM, SwAg said:

I haven't thought you were scum in days, I was doing it to protect you from NKs because I thought you soft-claimed, and they would be less likely to kill at risk people.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:07 AM, SwAg said:

Last night.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:13 AM, Malfatron said:

were you ever offered weed?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:14 AM, BringinDaPain said:

Yea, IRL

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:14 AM, SwAg said:

I automatically declined.  It was not my choice.

I'm telling the truth.  You do not get a player choice.  You either accept or decline.

lol, this is going well.

 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:15 AM, SwAg said:

You're going to get Forge and I killed.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:26 AM, Ragnarok said:

So Swag...it sounds like maybe touch did lobby to recruit you.  

This is another very odd comment considering you 1. knew you had been targeted last night and 2. claim to have thought I was town for days now.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:33 AM, Malfatron said:

@SwAg who do you think is the weed dealer?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:35 AM, SwAg said:

That's literally why I said it.

To point back to the failed recruitment attempt if I had to.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:38 AM, SwAg said:

It's a finite amount of people.  Even though I verified what Forge said, I don't think we can rule him out yet.  Dealer would 100% know he can fail at this point, even if the first failure was me last night.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:38 AM, SwAg said:

To be clear, it's one of the 5-6 people I listed before as unknowns.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:42 AM, Matts4313 said:

If Ted is the weed dealer and didn't offer to me I will never forgive him. But I'm slowly coming to believe that is what happened.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:58 AM, Malfatron said:

also, remember when ted got bent out of shape @SwAgwhen you said that you thought he softclaimed his role already.

and he was "sure he didnt leave any hints"

yeah, its ted.

ted

who wants to lynch the weed dealer today?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 1:59 AM, SwAg said:

Or it could be matts.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:00 AM, SwAg said:

Why would Ted recruit matts?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:00 AM, Malfatron said:

yeah it could be matts

likely one or the other.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:01 AM, Malfatron said:

no, if ted is the weed dealer, he didnt recruit matts most likely 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:01 AM, SwAg said:

Sorry, I'm actually here now and undistracted.

Is there anything you asked that I didn't answer?

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:02 AM, SwAg said:

I meant, is there a reason external to this game that matts would be upset that Ted (specifically) didn't try to give him drugs?

Because matts said he would never forgive Ted if he was the drug dealer.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:03 AM, Malfatron said:

simply, who do you think the weed dealer is?

just right now, not looking back, off the top of your head

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:04 AM, Malfatron said:

actually, no.

that is weird

@Matts4313 please advise.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:07 AM, SwAg said:

Excluding the knowns, which I don't know that we can because you could do a "role switch" to protect the recruiter, I would say the drug dealer is between Ted, matts, VMD, and Forge, with the first two being more likely, and Forge being the least likely.  I don't think it's squire, even if I don't know whatever he is soft-claiming that he thinks is obvious.  So, the only other unknown is Sanchez thereafter.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:09 AM, SwAg said:

Honestly, I think we have to operate with a degree of assumption that the roles claimed by people that are at least semi-verified, are in fact their roles if we want to make any actual progress.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:13 AM, SwAg said:

Yeah, I'm glad you understand my hesitation on the softs right now, since one person has made three different soft claims at this point.  But, I actually think he's Town, and believed them.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:39 AM, SwAg said:

I think this is correct, but I'm guessing.

N1:  Forge (allegedly failed)

N2:  Jesus (failed)

N3:  ?

N4:  Touch

N5:  SwAg (failed)

I don't think squire is the drug dealer for meta reasons.  We were Mafia in Burbs, and he was the only person to reach out to me in the Christmas Mafia, and then we relied upon each other in Casino for wins.  If he can recruit, I think he'd try to recruit me prior to Night 5.  Even if he's being a nasty fish person to me this game.

I think Touch was recruited the night before last, and lobbied to recruit me last night before he died.

I semi-believe Forge, at least to the extent that he is not the drug dealer. 

I don't think a new player would recognize the significance of an innocuous drug offer on N1.  Nor do I think he would have the grit to lolclaim recruitment failure on N1 after that alignment flips.  I don't think a coach would even make it more likely.  That requires a huge leap of faith.  Plus, the candidates for the drug dealer that remain are not players who I would envision masterminding some great illusion here, and several of them are absent, which means Forge did it on his own. 

The only flaw is if there is another person recruited who would encourage a brazen strategy.  I think four of those people are alive: Malfatron, Ragnarok, matts, and myself.  The same countervailing arguments remain, though.

So, at risk of killing both of us with my thoughts: I believe Forge.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 3:31 AM, Malfatron said:

In this post, swag strokes a wide brush stroke over what may have happened.

first point. Swag claimed that squire couldnt be the weed dealer, because squire would have converted swag earlier. This may be true, and i would say that IF squire converted swag, he did so on night 3/4. And someone else could have been converted on night 5. Swag, if the convert, could have felt free to "swap" the instant of his target conversion from night 3 to night 5 with no harm done.

This would be a good move, if correct, because it would prevent players from going back and checking behavior changes from night 3 forward. And there are noticable behavior changes. Although, there could be legitimate reasons for that.

swag, I only see a 5 percent chance of you being a convert, but I have to recognize the possibility.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 11:55 AM, SwAg said:

How is that a broad brush?  You literally repeated what I said, then gave your thoughts on it.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 12:51 PM, SwAg said:

Or Ragnarok is the drug dealer, recruited people, and soft claimed their roles. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:45 PM, SwAg said:

I don't know why Touch didn't switch. 

I thought he was good.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:46 PM, Forge said:

Were you testing something out, Swag? 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:46 PM, SwAg said:

Yeah, a gut feeling.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 2:49 PM, SwAg said:

bcb should be able to understand gut feelings.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:04 PM, SwAg said:

Claiming your ability, which is to survive a lynch, but refusing to character claim.

Super pro-Town stance.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:05 PM, SwAg said:

don't ******* listen to him.

Go back.  He liked my post of me calling you a wolf before I joined.  Then voted for you.

He did not know before that.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:11 PM, SwAg said:

lol.  It's an open setup.  No one is going to claim a role other than their own or someone who is in their faction.  No one is going to believe you anyway.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:17 PM, Malfatron said:

@SwAg why do you think matts is signifcantly more likely to be the weed dealer than ted?

the fact that you are banging the matts drum hard makes me think that you actually did get recruited n5.

 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:18 PM, Forge said:

I'm leaning hard towards Ted unless its someone that I Just know nothing about (sanchez, squire, VMD). 

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:18 PM, Malfatron said:

thats true.

the weed dealer could easily be one of those quiet people.

 

On 3/30/2019 at 4:20 PM, SwAg said:

I mean, if you're thinking it's a quiet person, I'd go Sanchez because Touch was the only one pushing him, then suddenly Touch is converted.

I was genuinely involved in trying to get yesterday right, and I was the first to bring up the Touch-Sanchez link before going off on matts.  

Then switching track to between Sanchez and matts.  I said it was 100% between those two, while people are bringing up Rags, Ted, and Forge.  Then you agreed and went sanchez later Malf.