AlexGreen#20 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Did ANYONE think that was going to the case for Rashan Gary in Y1? I'm more concerned about how he looks next year. The hope was that he was going to show some other development and production with his tools. Instead we're seeing all of the struggles and none of the other things there was hope he would be able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We don't know anything about his work ethic? Everybody keeps saying that and I don't know why. The problem with the draft profile is that in college he struggled with his first step and turning the corner. It killed his statistical production. We're now sitting in the NFL and he's struggling with his first step and turning the corner, and he has no real statistical production. He is saying the right things, and there is proof that he is training hard. Is it all hype and Bravo Sierra? Maybe. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that front until there is evidence to the contrary. Again, Gute took a project with the 12th pick. Not where I would prefer to do that, but now we have to wait to see if that gamble pays off, or if we have a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 oh What’s the magic number pick then? I haven’t been following good I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The hope was that he was going to show some other development and production with his tools. Instead we're seeing all of the struggles and none of the other things there was hope he would be able to do. that would be irrational to hope he would show those things without any additional coaching or reps in the first half of the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: Do you draft the most talented running back that can't gain yards ? We drafted the most talented pass rusher that can't rush the pass When pass rushers future production hinges on Y1 production, I'd be behind that. But these are apples and oranges comparison to the extreme. Look at the top pass rushers,a nd look at their rookie production. And I'm specifically not talking about top 5 picks. Look at this year, we have Shaq Barrett (0 sacks as a rookie), Chandler Jones (6 sacks), Preston Smith (8 sacks), and Danielle Hunter (6 sacks) in the top 5. And before you start talking about the production they had, let's look at the snap count. Shaq Barrett (45.3%), Chandler Jones (66.8%), Preston Smith (48.1%), and Danielle Hunter (36.5%) all played significantly more snaps than Rashan Gary. Rashan Gary is currently at 23.7% of the defensive snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor1124 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, incognito_man said: The hilarious thing to me is that it used to be "Let's wait 2-3 years to judge a draft class". Has now been reduced to 7 games lol Except he looked exactly like this his entire college career and he isn't showing any signs that things will change. He has serious flaws in his game and he had them before we drafted him. I am not saying completely give up on the guy, he deserves at least two full years in my opinion but we have drafted numerous guys who actually tore it up in college and they still busted; kind of hard to be optimistic about a guy who didn't tear it up in college and now looks exactly the same. Some guys either have it or they don't. Edited October 22, 2019 by Victor1124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The hope was that he was going to show some other development and production with his tools. Instead we're seeing all of the struggles and none of the other things there was hope he would be able to do. Kind of hard to show much of anything when you're averaging 16 snaps per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: When pass rushers future production hinges on Y1 production, I'd be behind that. But these are apples and oranges comparison to the extreme. Look at the top pass rushers,a nd look at their rookie production. And I'm specifically not talking about top 5 picks. Look at this year, we have Shaq Barrett (0 sacks as a rookie), Chandler Jones (6 sacks), Preston Smith (8 sacks), and Danielle Hunter (6 sacks) in the top 5. And before you start talking about the production they had, let's look at the snap count. Shaq Barrett (45.3%), Chandler Jones (66.8%), Preston Smith (48.1%), and Danielle Hunter (36.5%) all played significantly more snaps than Rashan Gary. Rashan Gary is currently at 23.7% of the defensive snaps. I remember Palmy saying the 2 easiest positions to flash were runners and rushers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, cannondale said: I remember Palmy saying the 2 easiest positions to flash were runners and rushers. Flash? Maybe. Consistently produce? Hell no. Off-ball LBs and RBs are probably the two "easiest" positions to translate to the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Victor1124 said: Except he looked exactly like this his entire college career and he isn't showing any signs that things will change. He has serious flaws in his game and he had them before we drafted him. I am not saying completely give up on the guy, he deserves at least two full years in my opinion but we have drafted numerous guys who actually tore it up in college and they still busted; kind of hard to be optimistic about a guy who didn't tear it up in college and now looks exactly the same. Some guys either have it or they don't. Why would he improve between college and his very first NFL games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: Flash? Maybe. Consistently produce? Hell no. Off-ball LBs and RBs are probably the two "easiest" positions to translate to the NFL He hasn't flashed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_gb Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Victor1124 said: Except he looked exactly like this his entire college career and he isn't showing any signs that things will change. He has serious flaws in his game and he had them before we drafted him. I am not saying completely give up on the guy, he deserves at least two full years in my opinion but we have drafted numerous guys who actually tore it up in college and they still busted; kind of hard to be optimistic about a guy who didn't tear it up in college and now looks exactly the same. Some guys either have it or they don't. I don't know why everyone is throwing the towel in on Gary because he's not producing Y1. Anyone who expected him to come out and show out his first year in this system got it wrong. Rashan Gary was a pick that showed trust in the Packers coaching staff to get the most out of him and that takes coaching and that takes time. This was a redshirt year for him. He was never going to have an immediate impact for us. This wasn't a pick for today it was a pick for tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor1124 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, incognito_man said: So Rodgers is a bust? or where is the cut-off for "top x" pick? Talk about a false equivalency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Victor1124 said: Talk about a false equivalency. Sure, if you find one we could talk about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, cannondale said: He hasn't flashed He's averaging 16 snaps per game...I'm not sure how much you expect him to flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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