2020 NFL Draft Thread

[massraider]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

Oklahoma's system also gave him a ton of clean windows to throw into though. 

He still had to throw an accurate ball. Which is all this is measuring, how often they missed "open" guys.  

I know of no system that makes people more accurate.  

[raidr4life]

24 minutes ago, massraider said:

So the assumption is that Ruggs, Reagor, Mims, Higgins, Hamler are all gone by the 3rd round? As well as Lamb, Jeudy, Jefferson, Pittman, Shenault, Aiyuk, and probably Claypool? 

 

Duvernay
Watkins
Mooney
Bowden
Gibson
Watkins
Hightower
 

 

And I left off a half dozen other WRs under 4.50.  

I mean, come on. There's tons of speed in this draft.  There is only one Ruggs for pure speed, and if Caplan is saying there's no WR1 types with speed after round 2, OK.  He might be wrong, but OK.  But there are several WRs who are going to be vible deep threats in the league. 

I believe the offense is more viable with a Lamb, Jeudy, or Jefferson across from Tyrell.  We need guys that get open right away, and Carr can hit them within 10 yards, and they make something happen. Carr isn't throwing bombs all day long, it's not his game. 

 

And the reality is atleast half are not starters and won't be more than special teams guy's.

[Humble_Beast]

4 minutes ago, massraider said:

Right, and I'm not a PFF groupie. 

It's always subjective to a point, but saying a guy missed doesn't seem so arbitrary to me. 

idk who you are, but I like the default picture. I don't PFF brainwash me either! 

Edited April 15, 2020 by Humble_Beast

[massraider]

Just now, raidr4life said:

And the reality is atleast half are not starters and won't be more than special teams guy's.

That's true. But that's true in every other draft class that doesn't have an all-time deep class.  And yet somehow, deep threats emerge from the later rounds. 

If someone says you better get a LB in the top 40, or get really lucky, I cannot argue.  There's like three LB people like.

There are going to be WRs in the 5th people cannot believe fell that far. 20 WRs are not going in the top 2 rounds. 

 

 

[raidr4life]

12 minutes ago, massraider said:

That's true. But that's true in every other draft class that doesn't have an all-time deep class.  And yet somehow, deep threats emerge from the later rounds. 

If someone says you better get a LB in the top 40, or get really lucky, I cannot argue.  There's like three LB people like.

There are going to be WRs in the 5th people cannot believe fell that far. 20 WRs are not going in the top 2 rounds. 

 

 

1.	4.27	Henry Ruggs III	WR	Alabama
2.	4.29	Javelin Guidry	DB	Utah
3.	4.35	Quez Watkins	WR	So. Miss
4.	4.37	L'Jarius Sneed	DB	Lousiana Tech
T-5.	4.38	Darnell Mooney	WR	Tulane
T-5.	4.38	Denzel Mims	WR	Baylor
T-7.	4.39	Isaiah Simmons	LB	Clemson
T-7.	4.39	Antonio Gibson	WR	Memphis
T-7.	4.39	Devin Duvernay	WR	Texas
T-7.	4.39	Jonathan Taylor	RB	Wisconsin
T-11.	4.41	Darrynton Evans	RB	App. State
T-11.	4.41	Tanner Muse	DB	Clemson
T-13.	4.42	Chase Claypool	WR	Notre Dame
T-13.	4.42	Raymond Calais	RB	Louisiana Lafayette
T-15.	4.43	Justin Jefferson	WR	LSU
T-15.	4.43	John Hightower	WR	Boise State
17.	4.44	Anthony McFarland Jr.	RB	Maryland
T-18.	4.45	Isaiah Coulter	WR	Rhode Island
T-18.	4.45	Jerry Jeudy	WR	Alabama
T-18.	4.45	Jeff Thomas	WR	Miami

Edited April 15, 2020 by raidr4life

[raidr4life]

15 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

1.	4.27	Henry Ruggs III	WR	Alabama
2.	4.29	Javelin Guidry	DB	Utah
3.	4.35	Quez Watkins	WR	So. Miss
4.	4.37	L'Jarius Sneed	DB	Lousiana Tech
T-5.	4.38	Darnell Mooney	WR	Tulane
T-5.	4.38	Denzel Mims	WR	Baylor
T-7.	4.39	Isaiah Simmons	LB	Clemson
T-7.	4.39	Antonio Gibson	WR	Memphis
T-7.	4.39	Devin Duvernay	WR	Texas
T-7.	4.39	Jonathan Taylor	RB	Wisconsin
T-11.	4.41	Darrynton Evans	RB	App. State
T-11.	4.41	Tanner Muse	DB	Clemson
T-13.	4.42	Chase Claypool	WR	Notre Dame
T-13.	4.42	Raymond Calais	RB	Louisiana Lafayette
T-15.	4.43	Justin Jefferson	WR	LSU
T-15.	4.43	John Hightower	WR	Boise State
17.	4.44	Anthony McFarland Jr.	RB	Maryland
T-18.	4.45	Isaiah Coulter	WR	Rhode Island
T-18.	4.45	Jerry Jeudy	WR	Alabama
T-18.	4.45	Jeff Thomas	WR	Miami

We are talking about speed guys. Here are the fastest guys at the combine I'll even throw in Reagor and his 4.47, not many WR's of note most of them are just guys', if you want one of the guy's with an actual decent draft grade that's only 3 or 4 guy's. Can you get lucky later sure you can, but I wouldn't count on it, again if a legit speed guy that can start is what we want.. Can their be guys there in the 5th round sure, but it won't be one of the top speed guys.

Edited April 15, 2020 by raidr4life

[massraider]

5 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

We are talking about speed guys. Here are the fastest guys at the combine I'll even throw in Reagor and his 4.47, not many WR's of note most of them are just guys', if you want one of the guy's with an actual decent draft grade that's only 3 or 4 guy's. Can you get lucky later sure you can, but I wouldn't count on it, again if a legit speed guy that can start is what we want.. 

I'm no even sure we are disagreeing. 

If you're saying we gotta get a Ruggs/Jeudy/Jefferson/Lamb, then I'm in.

If you are saying we gotta take Ruggs over Jeudy because speed, we disagree. 

No big deal, I like Ruggs quite a bit.  

[massraider]

Checkout this thread:

 

Jeudy makes people look silly. 

 

[Devilshark69]

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2020/4/15/21222624/derrick-brown-tweets-overrated just found this article too funny after what I said about him falling to 12 being motivation, who the h*ll is reading my FF posts? lmfao!

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, massraider said:

He still had to throw an accurate ball. Which is all this is measuring, how often they missed "open" guys.  

I know of no system that makes people more accurate.  

Oklahoma's offense created a ton of open looks. An open guy in OU's system might be 5 yards over the middle while an open guy in Oregon's system might be on a deep route 20+ yards down the field. 

[OldManWillis]

So what are the chances Tua falls due to injury concerns, and at what point does reward outweigh risk?

#12? #19?

I say he falls out of top 10 as QB needy teams select healthy options.

I'd consider taking him at 19. At 12 I've become too fixated on drafting Lamb. 

 

[Devilshark69]

1 hour ago, massraider said:

Checkout this thread:

 

Jeudy makes people look silly. 

 

ok what was this thread because I cant just go to it, the site wont let me.lol

[StocktonSav]

1 hour ago, massraider said:

Right, and I'm not a PFF groupie. 

It's always subjective to a point, but saying a guy missed doesn't seem so arbitrary to me. 

It's not that it is arbitrary. But in any proper statistical analysis you have to define terms and provide context. Otherwise you can just cherry pick data and manufacture conclusions.

[Frankie2Gunz]

26 minutes ago, OldManWillis said:

So what are the chances Tua falls due to injury concerns, and at what point does reward outweigh risk?

#12? #19?

I say he falls out of top 10 as QB needy teams select healthy options.

I'd consider taking him at 19. At 12 I've become too fixated on drafting Lamb. 

 

If Tua falls to 12 no way we take him but I would be all for trading back and backing in a Brinks truck full of picks.  

[RaidersAreOne]