MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: When you're really fast and not physical and can't win underneath route this happens. Jordy Nelson was a refined BAMF over his first two seasons who could do everything? Davante Adams, too? Davante had the confidence of a llama in a herd of lions his first two seasons and couldn't catch a falling feather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Davante had the confidence of a llama in a herd of lions his first two seasons and couldn't catch a falling feather. I disagree with this point. In fact, it was the "fight" Adams exhibited his rookie season that stood out to me. Route running, hands pass catching - these were Rookie works in progress - but his "fight" was an innate trait that showed up on the field back then and has only grown with time and experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Leader said: I disagree with this point. In fact, it was the "fight" Adams exhibited his rookie season that stood out to me. Route running, hands pass catching - these were Rookie works in progress - but his "fight" was an innate trait that showed up on the field back then and has only grown with time and experience. Did you miss his entire second season? https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/26375/packers-receiver-davante-adams-insists-lack-of-confidence-not-the-issue He both acknowledges that it's a confidence issue while saying he's a confident player. Getting back to a defensive back mentality. Etc. In short, you're wrong. He absolutely had confidence issues in his second year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Davante had the confidence of a llama in a herd of lions Note: Davante, Llamas and Lions are all from different continents 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Did you miss his entire second season? https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/26375/packers-receiver-davante-adams-insists-lack-of-confidence-not-the-issue He both acknowledges that it's a confidence issue while saying he's a confident player. Getting back to a defensive back mentality. Etc. In short, you're wrong. He absolutely had confidence issues in his second year. Nope. Didnt miss any of it. He had a bad year - no doubt. Personally, I think them mostly injury related (or caused) but as with my thoughts about EQ he had shown enough positive talent traits. Though there were some voicing displeasure (and the ever present "he's no good / not worth it" thinking....) I never lost faith he could develop into a good WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Leader said: Nope. Didnt miss any of it. He had a bad year - no doubt. Personally, I think them mostly injury related (or caused) but as with my thoughts about EQ he had shown enough positive talent traits. Though there were some voicing displeasure (and the ever present "he's no good / not worth it" thinking....) I never lost faith he could develop into a good WR. Good God you've got issues. Quote “A lot of it has to do with confidence,” Adams said. Quote “You can make all the excuses and say it’s the weather, which it had a whole lot to do with it, you’ve just got to have the [defensive back] mentality, which is a short memory, so we tried to do that.” He literally said it himself and you're still clinging to, "Nope, I'm right. **** Davante's own ****ing opinion, I am right." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Good God you've got issues. He literally said it himself and you're still clinging to, "Nope, I'm right. **** Davante's own ****ing opinion, I am right." LOL Always a pleasure chatting with you OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Leader said: LOL Always a pleasure chatting with you OP. It's not a pleasure chatting with you. Here's how it goes: I say something. -You say I'm wrong. I prove to you I am right. -You say, in spite of the proof I give you, that you're still right. I call you out for continuing to say you're wrong and that I just proved you wrong. -You take a shot acting like you're some supreme Yen master at peace with everything and knowing the entirety of the universe because you're a pompous know-it-all that really knows not a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 LOL Time for you to take your meds OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Just now, Leader said: LOL Time for you to take your meds OP. Oh, I forgot, then you suggest I'm in need of medication. You're the pathological liar, so you've got worse neurosis than I do. You literally convince yourself you're right when I literally prove you wrong. You get it in your head that you are so damn smart and full of wisdom when you literally know nothing and all of your football knowledge comes from Twitter. Bertie Boatman knows more than you do and is wrong less often. Also, nobody likes you. Your avatar is stupid, your username is is like me calling myself Calm Person, and your collection of self-help books have you convinced you're something that you're not. Looks like you forgot to read your chapter of Chicken Noodle Soup for the Soul today. Edited November 13, 2019 by Outpost31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Let's move on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Not remotely as rare in today's NFL. If a late (5th-7th) flashes at all, chances are they're going to develop. Diggs, Thielen... This is exactly why you no longer need a high pick to get an impact out of a WR. Here are the rankings of rookie receivers this year by draft position: 64th overall 76th overall Undrafted 66th overall 36th overall 25th overall 149th overall 51st overall 171st overall 56th overall 174th overall 247th overall 59th overall Undrafted Undrafted 206th overall Then you've got second year pros. Here is the ranking of second year receivers (taken in last year's draft) and their draft position: 24th 40th 61 47 26 81 253 256174 (MVS) Undrafted 60Undrafted (Lazard) 51 194 103 Out of all second year receivers, MVS leads them all in yards per reception (minimum 10 catches). It's like people completely forget about Nelson. if MVS didn't have another catch all year, he's already dominating Jordy Nelson over their first two seasons. Not only that, he's dominating Davante Adams, too, in every category except receptions. Both had 4 touchdowns in their first two seasons, except MVS so far has 1,001 receiving yards on 60 receptions compared to 88 receptions for Adams, who had 72 less yards on 28 more receptions. You don't even WANT me to show you the numbers for third year players. There is zero disparity between 1st round picks all the way to undrafted receivers in the NFL anymore. You do not need to make a huge investment at that position because, as you said, rule changes make it easier. You don't get 420 yards on 22 receptions (19.1 average) and be without wild potential and promise. MVS WILL have his breakout season, and it WILL be monstrous, and I WILL troll every single one of you for treating him like some Robert Ferguson or Bill Schroeder. There WILL be a major bust in the first round. I'll give you this … you are consistent on your MVS man crush. Can't do much any more this year on the wr position. MVS will be back next year … if he has that huge breakout season you will be the man. If he continues on the non descript season next year as he has this year … you'll just have to divorce him and move on. I just want a frickin receiver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Let's move on... Thank-you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, coachbuns said: I'll give you this … you are consistent on your MVS man crush. Can't do much any more this year on the wr position. MVS will be back next year … if he has that huge breakout season you will be the man. If he continues on the non descript season next year as he has this year … you'll just have to divorce him and move on. I just want a frickin receiver! Jordy Nelson took until his 4th year. Any rookie that shows and potential whatsoever you don't give up on until their contract year. If they can't put it together in their contract year, yeah, you give up. Like it says in Chicken Noodle Soup for the Soul, Quote “We need 4 hugs a day for survival. We need 8 hugs a day for maintenance. We need 12 hugs a day for growth.” MVS just isn't getting enough hugs. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: Jordy Nelson took until his 4th year. Any rookie that shows and potential whatsoever you don't give up on until their contract year. If they can't put it together in their contract year, yeah, you give up. Like it says in Chicken Noodle Soup for the Soul, MVS just isn't getting enough hugs. That's all. He's getting hugs from the uglies and nothing from the beauties. He's got to work on the beauties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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