Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 hours ago, EaglesPeteC said: Is this debate still a thing???? Lol Going to remake the thread. Here and Reddit. This place is a much bigger circle jerk and this was before the season when people still focusing on the idea that Wentz could return to the 2017. Which he wont. Ever. Every Eagles fans keeps bringing up injuries and the supporting cast of Wentz this year. Do you agree thats been a hindrance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Passer Rating Player Passer Rating 1 Ryan Tannehill 117.5 2 Drew Brees 116.3 3 Lamar Jackson 113.3 4 Kirk Cousins 107.4 5 Russell Wilson 106.3 6 Matthew Stafford 106 7 Patrick Mahomes 105.3 8 Jimmy Garoppolo 102 9 Derek Carr 100.8 10 Dak Prescott 99.7 Total QBR Player Total QBR 1 Lamar Jackson 81.7 2 Patrick Mahomes 76.4 3 Drew Brees 71.8 4 Dak Prescott 70.6 5 Matthew Stafford 70.2 6 Russell Wilson 69.8 7 Deshaun Watson 68.9 8 Ryan Fitzpatrick 66.6 9 Ryan Tannehill 62.5 10 Derek Carr 62.4 PFF Player PFF 1 Ryan Tannehill 92.5 2 Drew Brees 91.2 3 Russell Wilson 91.2 4 Lamar Jackson 91.1 5 Kirk Cousins 84.3 6 Pat Mahomes 84.1 7 Matthew Stafford 82.4 8 Aaron Rodgers 81.2 9 Deshaun Watson 81.0 10 Dak Prescott 80.3 DVOA Player DVOA 1 Drew Brees 40.1% 2 Lamar Jackson 35.3% 3 Pat Mahomes 30.0% 4 Matthew Stafford 28.8% 5 Ryan Tannehill 28.1% 6 Dak Prescott 27.2% 7 Russell Wilson 25.2% 8 Derek Carr 18.9% 9 Kirk Cousins 14.5% 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 11.2% Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt Player ANY/A 1 Ryan Tannehill 8.52 2 Patrick Mahomes 8.38 3 Drew Brees 8.33 4 Lamar Jackson 8.19 5 Matthew Stafford 8.15 6 Dak Prescott 7.84 7 Kirk Cousins 7.73 8 Russell Wilson 7.42 9 Derek Carr 7.25 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 7.22 Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard) QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Drew Brees 2 3 2 1 3 2.2 2 Lamar Jackson 3 1 4 2 4 2.8 3 Ryan Tannehill 1 9 1 5 1 3.4 4 Patrick Mahomes 7 2 6 3 2 4.0 5 Matthew Stafford 6 5 7 4 5 5.4 6 Russell Wilson 5 6 2 7 8 5.6 7 Dak Prescott 10 4 10 6 6 7.2 8 Kirk Cousins 4 13 5 9 7 7.6 9 Derek Carr 9 10 12 8 9 9.6 10 Deshaun Watson 11 7 9 11 12 10.0 11 Jimmy Garoppolo 8 12 13 10 10 10.6 12 Aaron Rodgers 12 20 8 12 11 12.6 13 Carson Wentz 13 11 16 20 16 15.2 14 Matt Ryan 14 14 15 13 20 15.2 15 Tom Brady 19 16 10 16 17 15.6 16 Philip Rivers 17 22 17 14 15 17.0 17 Ryan Fitzpatrick 23 8 14 19 22 17.2 18 Jared Goff 22 24 19 17 13 19.0 19 Gardner Minshew 15 27 20 22 14 19.6 20 Jacoby Brissett 18 21 29 15 21 20.8 21 Drew Lock 16 23 30 18 18 21.0 22 Kyler Murray 21 15 25 21 24 21.2 23 Jameis Winston 25 18 21 24 19 21.4 24 Daniel Jones 20 17 24 28 26 23.0 25 Baker Mayfield 30 19 18 23 27 23.4 26 Josh Allen 24 25 26 26 23 24.8 27 Sam Darnold 26 26 28 29 25 26.8 28 Andy Dalton 31 29 23 25 28 27.2 29 Mitchell Trubisky 27 28 27 27 29 27.6 30 Mason Rudolph 28 31 31 30 30 30.0 31 Dwayne Haskins 32 32 22 32 32 30.0 32 Kyle Allen 29 30 32 31 31 30.6 From what takes the least into account to what takes the most into account: Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT% ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR. QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch) PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale 14 hours ago, ITS_RAMMY_PLAYBOI said: No cap Goff is better than both number wise. Hes going to be better moving forward as well because he has Mcvay and these 2 don’t! And that is the biggest difference. Sorry matt. Dak is trash. Zero clutch gene lost every big game this year. At least we can say super bowl hangover. What’s your excuse? 8 hours ago, EaglesFan5-36-81 said: No, except to Matts. Dude is delirious though and just looking for someone tho argue with him so he can shout louder than them. This it's the same guy who tried to argue that missing the playoffs was a good thing, and they didn't have a chance to win, despite seeing the division rival Giants back into the playoffs at 9-7 only to beat the GOAT in the superbowl 2 times. Ive seen a sub .500 team win a playoff game. Dude is out of his mind, but cant satu I blame the poor fella Dak 7 Wentz 13 Goff 18 According to an Eagles Fan. Not me. Actually, not according to an Eagles fan. Technically, according to: NFL PFF ESPN Footballs Outsiders ANY/A (universal best stat) Edited December 31, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Dak 7 Wentz 13 Goff 18 According to an Eagles Fan. Not me. Actually, not according to an Eagles fan. Technically, according to: NFL PFF ESPN Footballs Outsiders ANY/A (universal best stat) And even with all that Dak still sucks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, ITS_RAMMY_PLAYBOI said: And even with all that Dak still sucks So does your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Going to remake the thread. Here and Reddit. This place is a much bigger circle jerk and this was before the season when people still focusing on the idea that Wentz could return to the 2017. Which he wont. Ever. Every Eagles fans keeps bringing up injuries and the supporting cast of Wentz this year. Do you agree thats been a hindrance? Dak sucks 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 4:40 AM, EaglesPeteC said: Dak sucks 1 year later and Dak still sucks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_eagle Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 31/12/2019 at 6:01 PM, Matts4313 said: So does your opinion. Does it factor in garbage time stats when the games over? Dak seems the king of those 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) On 12/31/2019 at 1:32 AM, Matts4313 said: Going to remake the thread. Here and Reddit. This place is a much bigger circle jerk and this was before the season when people still focusing on the idea that Wentz could return to the 2017. Which he wont. Ever. 2017 Wentz: 60.2% | 3,296 Yards | 33 TDs | 7INT | 101.9 QR 2019 Wentz (with much worse skill positions): 63.9% | 4,039 Yards | 27 TDs | 7 INTs | 93.1 QR You're right he's never gonna be as good as 2017 /sarcasm Wentz has been good for longer (this is Dak's really only good season), and is doing just as much with less talent and interceptions. The Cowboys should really let Dak walk instead of paying him 30+ mil. Edited January 2, 2020 by YogiBiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: 2017 Wentz: 60.2% | 3,296 Yards | 33 TDs | 7INT | 101.9 QR 2019 Wentz (with much worse skill positions): 63.9% | 4,039 Yards | 27 TDs | 7 INTs | 93.1 QR Why the hell are you using bulk stats? Wentz played less games.... 2 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: You're right he's never gonna be as good as 2017 /sarcasm His QB Rating dropped almost 9 points. Everything about the season was worse, aside from not being able to play more games. 2 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: Wentz has been good for longer (this is Dak's really only good season), and is doing just as much with less talent and interceptions. The Cowboys should really let Dak walk instead of paying him 30+ mil. Lol. Dak last year had a bottom 5 OL (Footballs Outsiders) and the #32 rated WR group (NFL Nex Gen). Dak has done much more with less than Wentz. The Eagles were virtually unanimously the #1 most talented team the last couple years. But lets compare: Totals Passing Rushing Receiving Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng 1 Jared Goff 2016 2019 31 54 33-21-0 1166 1869 62.4 14219 87 91.9 94 42 106 787 7.6 7.53 6.80 6.73 112 215 6 1.9 22 0 0 0 0 2 Dak Prescott 2016 2019 44 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 97.0 90 36 136 826 7.6 7.77 6.77 6.92 241 1221 21 5.1 42 0 0 0 0 3 Carson Wentz 2016 2019 33 56 32-24-0 1311 2055 63.8 14191 97 92.7 73 35 129 807 6.9 7.08 6.13 6.30 206 785 3 3.8 24 2 11 0 5.5 7 Dak is #1 in: ANY/A, Rating, QBR, every bulk stat, wins... literally everything measurable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Why the hell are you using bulk stats? Wentz played less games.... Firstly, calm thyself. I used bulk stats to illustrate their has been hardly any regression if any. 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: His QB Rating dropped almost 9 points. Everything about the season was worse, aside from not being able to play more games. He also had a lower interception rate, but QB Rating rewards TDs and disregards not turning the ball over. I mean Dak benefits from that tremendously. Quote Lol. Dak last year had a bottom 5 OL (Footballs Outsiders) I just looked this up on the website you said it was from. When actually taking everything into account your OL still ranked 8th overall. Let's fast forward to this year when your entire O-Line is actually playing and just look at pass efficiency (injuries derailed you all last season and you are clearly nitpicking your points to make your side of the "story" more plausible) you were 2nd in the league (4th in 2017). It is obvious last year was an outlier because you were literally missing everyone. Last year was the first time he had ever been sacked more than 30 times. Which it's absurd he was sacked as much as he was cause of his mobility. >.> Quote and the #32 rated WR group (NFL Nex Gen). Could you post a link to this one for me. Can't seem to find it anywhere. Quote Dak has done much more with less than Wentz. The Eagles were virtually unanimously the #1 most talented team the last couple years. But lets compare: Lol @ the eagles being the most talented team the last couple years. You're really funny. On paper the Cowboys have been one of the more consistently talented teams of the decade.... Too bad you're never actually as good as everyone leads you to believe. Quote Totals Passing Rushing Receiving Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng 1 Jared Goff 2016 2019 31 54 33-21-0 1166 1869 62.4 14219 87 91.9 94 42 106 787 7.6 7.53 6.80 6.73 112 215 6 1.9 22 0 0 0 0 2 Dak Prescott 2016 2019 44 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 97.0 90 36 136 826 7.6 7.77 6.77 6.92 241 1221 21 5.1 42 0 0 0 0 3 Carson Wentz 2016 2019 33 56 32-24-0 1311 2055 63.8 14191 97 92.7 73 35 129 807 6.9 7.08 6.13 6.30 206 785 3 3.8 24 2 11 0 5.5 7 Dak is #1 in: ANY/A, Rating, QBR, every bulk stat, wins... literally everything measurable. lol this guy. Not even a different post. 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Why the hell are you using bulk stats? Cough Cowboy fans are funny Cough Let's break it down on a Per Game basis as well. Since Bulk Stats are so evil. Who would you rather have : 252.4 YPG | 1.7 TDPG | .62 IPG | 36.7 Pass Attempts Per Game 246.5 YPG | 1.51 TDPG | .56 IPG | 32.3 Pass Attempts Per Game At best this argument is a wash, at worse 1 QB is asked to do much more for his team than another. Edited January 2, 2020 by YogiBiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Dak pads stats when games are already lost/won 1-6 vs playoff teams this year is all you need to know. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Danger said: Dak pads stats when games are already lost/won 1-6 vs playoff teams this year is all you need to know. As if we dont have 4 years of data you twerp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Matts4313 said: As if we dont have 4 years of data you twerp Ya boy is pretty much Captain Kirk bro. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Danger said: Dak pads stats when games are already lost/won 1-6 vs playoff teams this year is all you need to know. Terrible. Gave his team no chance to even win before they stepped into the field. The new Drew Brees of garbage time king. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Danger said: Ya boy is pretty much Captain Kirk bro. Yo boy is basically Trent Dilfer. Along for the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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