Roster cut downs

[Darbsk]

17 minutes ago, oakdb36 said:

I don't know if the pass rush will be any better but let's not act like they didn't adress the DE position this offseason. The only returning DE from last year is Key. They used 3 picks on the position in the draft and signed 2 in FA. They're not gonna give up on those new guys for anyone who was cut over the weekend. Who's out there that would be a clear upgrade? I've seen people bring up Spence but he had 0 sack last season so i'd rather stick with Mayowa. Shane Ray is done. Who else?

I don't think anyone is saying there is a definite upgrade just sat there, however, we brought in so many fringe roster players at what seemed like every other position it seemed curious why there were no UDFA DEs brought in like there were CBs or WRs or trades explored - maybe there were but without our knowledge who knows. It just seems that way I guess.

[NYRaider]

6 hours ago, Rolni said:

How does any average back up QB help his team win games?

 

Gruden and Mayock have been preaching about keeping the best 53 guys that can help us win games this year. 

[drfrey13]

7 hours ago, NYRaider said:

How does Kizer help us win football games this year exactly? 

I do not think there are many backup QBs that help you win games this year.  Having Kizer is a move for the future if Gruden thinks he can be a better player than Glennon and Peterman in his system.  If any of those three are our starter the entire year we would probably give Miami a run for the #1 pick.  Glennon is probably the best to try and keep us a float if we are in the playoff hunt but it would only work for a couple of games.  Peterman seems most likely to be the QBOTF out of the 3 and Kizer is a boom bust roll of the dice.  I believe Carr is a flawed QB who needs to improve in a few areas but he gives us a chance to be a playoff team if we surround him with a good supporting cast.  If he goes down for the year I would probably find an NFC team to follow or join a lot of fantasy football leagues.

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[drfrey13]

1 hour ago, oakdb36 said:

I don't know if the pass rush will be any better but let's not act like they didn't adress the DE position this offseason. The only returning DE from last year is Key. They used 3 picks on the position in the draft and signed 2 in FA. They're not gonna give up on those new guys for anyone who was cut over the weekend. Who's out there that would be a clear upgrade? I've seen people bring up Spence but he had 0 sack last season so i'd rather stick with Mayowa. Shane Ray is done. Who else?

We did not address the pass rush the way we should have.  We brought in a developmental DE and a high end DE but both are all around good DE's and are not what you consider pass rush specialists.  Josh Allen had almost as many sacks as both combined. Even Ferrel's combine analysis on NFL.com says he will probably not get to the QB as much as he did in college.  Same thing in FA.  We addressed the DE position but not with an eye specially towards the pass rush.  We might double our sack total from last year but we would still probably rank last in sacks with that.  Mayowa and Hurst both ranked 98th in sacks last year.

[RaidersAreOne]

 

[S&B Bleeder]

44 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I do not think there are many backup QBs that help you win games this year.  Having Kizer is a move for the future if Gruden thinks he can be a better player than Glennon and Peterman in his system.  If any of those three are our starter the entire year we would probably give Miami a run for the #1 pick.  Glennon is probably the best to try and keep us a float if we are in the playoff hunt but it would only work for a couple of games.  Peterman seems most likely to be the QBOTF out of the 3 and Kizer is a boom bust roll of the dice.  I believe Carr is a flawed QB who needs to improve in a few areas but he gives us a chance to be a playoff team if we surround him with a good supporting cast.  If he goes down for the year I would probably find an NFC team to follow or join a lot of fantasy football leagues.

I question if Gruden has any intent for Kizer to be QB of the future.  With Glennon and Peterman;  Glennon played early in every game.  Was he up against better players?  I'm not sure.  The Raiders seemed to be looking at our talent more than the opponents.  If Carr has to go out in a game Gruden will bring in the QB best suited against the defense.  If the opponents pass rush isn't effective play Glennon.  If the pass rush was all over Carr bring in Peterman.  Can Glennon survive with the run game alone to save his neck?  Of course not.  We gotta pass to run effectively.

[RaidersAreOne]

So we're stashing Peterman but still rolling with 3 QB's it looks like. At least Mauro will be back.

[S&B Bleeder]

2 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

 

So this sorta takes care of my rationale unless Kizer is a scrambler.  Now with players going on IR at this point in time can they come back during the season?  

[agarcia34]

Sad that the best the Raiders can do at DE is Mauro. I don’t get it with him. Raiders have done a piss poor job with that position. 

[NightTrainLane]

16 minutes ago, agarcia34 said:

Sad that the best the Raiders can do at DE is Mauro. I don’t get it with him. Raiders have done a piss poor job with that position. 

I understand you saying may have done things differently but saying that they failed at the position before the guys have played one meaningful snap is shortsighted to say the least. It is all about production. If we get 2-4 guys that are 4-10sacks. That is the Gunther Defense. I think this group is definitely capable of that.

Will they do it? I don't know but the real measure is pressures. This defense is about the dline getting push and being variable(guys that play multiple roles) and good vs the run. Then we provide sporadic pressure with the A gap and corner and safety blitzs in front of strong man coverage. It's about putting the offense between a rock and hard place. Forcing them to make mistakes. I think this is what the defense is built to be. Much better chance for this then us to have 1-3 guys having 10+ sacks like when we had Mack but everything else was just subpar. And I think that if they build on the promise of the glimpses of stout play we saw from the first team then the defensive rating as a whole will be improved because of it.

[agarcia34]

Isaiah Johnson to IR he is eligible to return this season. Signed Kyle Wilber and Mauro

 

PS roster

 

Ateman, Marcell	WR	6-4	216	2	Oklahoma State
Bell, Quinton	DE	6-4	253	R	Prairie View A&M
Cotton Sr., Lester	G	6-4	335	R	Alabama
Damarea, Crockett	RB	5-11	225	R	Missouri
Gafford, Rico	WR	5-10	185	1	Wyoming
Mabin, Dylan	CB	6-1	195	R	Fordham
Nelson, Nick	CB	5-11	205	2	Wisconsin
Phillips, Justin	LB	6-0	235	R	Oklahoma State
Rush, Anthony	DT	6-5	350	R	UAB
Saubert, Eric	TE	6-5	253	3	Drake

 

Edited September 2, 2019 by agarcia34

[drfrey13]

13 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

I understand you saying may have done things differently but saying that they failed at the position before the guys have played one meaningful snap is shortsighted to say the least. It is all about production. If we get 2-4 guys that are 4-10sacks. That is the Gunther Defense. I think this group is definitely capable of that.

Will they do it? I don't know but the real measure is pressures. This defense is about the dline getting push and being variable(guys that play multiple roles) and good vs the run. Then we provide sporadic pressure with the A gap and corner and safety blitzs in front of strong man coverage. It's about putting the offense between a rock and hard place. Forcing them to make mistakes. I think this is what the defense is built to be. Much better chance for this then us to have 1-3 guys having 10+ sacks like when we had Mack but everything else was just subpar. And I think that if they build on the promise of the glimpses of stout play we saw from the first team then the defensive rating as a whole will be improved because of it.

I do not think they failed in what they wanted to do but failed in what I/we want them to do.  We all want a great defense but they are going about it differently.  Their goal is to stop the run and make the QB uncomfortable.  Pressuring thru schemes and not winning individual battles.  I would have liked to see Allen coming off the edge like a wild man or White on the double A gap blitzes.  Both have higher upside and abilities to win 1 on 1 but also have deficiencies that can be exposed.  Ferrell is viewed as more well rounded and can do what they want right away.  I would have gone for the high upside players that need more coaching with an eye towards having dominant players next year and beyond.  Not concerned with making the playoffs this year.  Their trajectory is safer and gives us a better opportunity to make the playoffs while my philosophy has a higher chance but greater chance of winning a championship.  BB has the same philosophy as Gruden but got lucky and combined it with one of the great QBs of all time.

[Dessie]

Wilber resigned probably because he can pass rush (as well as STs). Mauro will hopefully keep Key fresh to play passing downs. Big job for Guenther to get anyone to be a 10 sack a year guy imo. 

I don’t mind the idea of trying to develop Peterman but do we really need 3 QBs on the roster still? Do we think we are still looking to trade Glennon ? 

Although with Gruden we shouldn’t rule out Carr being traded at this point...

[agarcia34]

26 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

I understand you saying may have done things differently but saying that they failed at the position before the guys have played one meaningful snap is shortsighted to say the least. It is all about production. If we get 2-4 guys that are 4-10sacks. That is the Gunther Defense. I think this group is definitely capable of that.

Will they do it? I don't know but the real measure is pressures. This defense is about the dline getting push and being variable(guys that play multiple roles) and good vs the run. Then we provide sporadic pressure with the A gap and corner and safety blitzs in front of strong man coverage. It's about putting the offense between a rock and hard place. Forcing them to make mistakes. I think this is what the defense is built to be. Much better chance for this then us to have 1-3 guys having 10+ sacks like when we had Mack but everything else was just subpar. And I think that if they build on the promise of the glimpses of stout play we saw from the first team then the defensive rating as a whole will be improved because of it.

I said that because the Raiders didn't go out and get a veteran who has had success with rushing the passer. They went out and got Mauro who by PFF standards is good against the run. Never seen him play when he was with his other teams, but he is not a pass rusher. They went out and signed Benson Mayowa who in 7 years has 13 career sacks and had two total sacks in his previous two season with the Raiders. We all know what we're getting with those two. Its a group that gonna rely on two rookies and a second-year player in Arden Key and that is a ballsy thing to do. It's not about going out and spending big money on the FA DE's who were available. I just feel like the Raiders could have spent a little more resources on that position as far as an experience pass rusher.