Humble_Beast Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: Mack and Carr should have been the great Raider duo for the next decade... trying to be positive, but Gruden needs to lose some weight and start winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Watching Mack, I have nothing positive to say about the organization. Mike Mayock...You are our only hope...Please bring sanity to the moves we make. You’ve got the will and skill but do you have clearance... Can I wake from this nightmare?!? I’m so angry and... Jags, don’t trade Ramsey for less than a ransom. It’s a ish feeling loosing a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Two things. 1) What do you think it takes for Mayock to trade Mack (Not even going to discuss whether or not he would have called him)? 2 firsts to a losing team. If Gruden had any appreciation for defense he would have been able to tell that a top 5 defense will win some games for you. He could not tell after we lost to the Ravens and Patriots without a top 30 QB and he won a Super Bowl where his D scored as much as his O. 2) Would you trade Mack for Ramsey straight up? Hard pass. Both are some of the best at their positions but taking into account positional importance the jags are giving me a late 1st or early 2nd round pick with Ramsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 hours ago, drfrey13 said: Two things. 1) What do you think it takes for Mayock to trade Mack (Not even going to discuss whether or not he would have called him)? 2 firsts to a losing team. If Gruden had any appreciation for defense he would have been able to tell that a top 5 defense will win some games for you. He could not tell after we lost to the Ravens and Patriots without a top 30 QB and he won a Super Bowl where his D scored as much as his O. 2) Would you trade Mack for Ramsey straight up? Hard pass. Both are some of the best at their positions but taking into account positional importance the jags are giving me a late 1st or early 2nd round pick with Ramsey. Ramsey and Jacobs for Mack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drfrey13 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 hours ago, roi34 said: Ramsey and Jacobs for Mack? I would say that is close to fair if Jacobs can keep improving. Since we are talking about the Jags and their pick I would happily except Ramsey and Allen for Mack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Going to call BS. The only teams that are winning are the teams that receive a greater positive impact. Jacobs has easily improved our run game but we still go 3 and out to much and or defense struggles to get off the field. To still have Mack, not trade for AB and get Montgomery in the third would be a much better situation. We lost to much on D without Mack. This unit is so much more deadly with Mack than without. You can say what did we do with him and the answer is not much because he had nothing around him. He would still take over games sometimes and be 90% of the reason we won. The only defensive player I would not trade for Mack straight up is probably Myles Garrett. Even then it is close. I wonder how many players Carr would trade Jacobs for on offense? I can think of at least 20 without trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: Derek Carr the ultimate company man lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 58 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Going to call BS. The only teams that are winning are the teams that receive a greater positive impact. Jacobs has easily improved our run game but we still go 3 and out to much and or defense struggles to get off the field. To still have Mack, not trade for AB and get Montgomery in the third would be a much better situation. We lost to much on D without Mack. This unit is so much more deadly with Mack than without. You can say what did we do with him and the answer is not much because he had nothing around him. He would still take over games sometimes and be 90% of the reason we won. The only defensive player I would not trade for Mack straight up is probably Myles Garrett. Even then it is close. I wonder how many players Carr would trade Jacobs for on offense? I can think of at least 20 without trying. We still have another first round pick this upcoming draft from them. Hold your horses. Maybe they go 3-13 and we get Chase Young. Just breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jerry said: We still have another first round pick this upcoming draft from them. Hold your horses. Maybe they go 3-13 and we get Chase Young. Just breathe. They go 3-13 and we get Derrick Brown and I will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Lol @ Carr Jacobs will never be anywhere close to Mack. Heck even if he was Barkley, he’s not Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Overall I hate predicting London games. And with Mitch out and the Bears leaving late, we can win. However, my official prediction is 20-10 Bears. I just don’t think our offense is good enough to do anything to that defense. Jacobs will get bottled up. Carr won’t look deep. It will get ugly. Mack will have two sacks. Carr fans will complain our OL is terrible when the Bears will beat any OL in the league and Carr is immobile. These next three games has to be the toughest three game stretch of any schedule in the NFL this year IMO. Road games against the Bears, Packers, and Texans. Yikes. I think this game is our only winnable game, and we probably won’t win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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