CriminalMind Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Great contact for Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlin calling Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 look at the structure of this contract and tell me with a straight face it is going to be a problem for the Ravens. If indeed his play falls off its an easy out after year 1. Amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, berlin calling said: look at the structure of this contract and tell me with a straight face it is going to be a problem for the Ravens. If indeed his play falls off its an easy out after year 1. Amazing. Ends up being a great contract for the ravens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, berlin calling said: look at the structure of this contract and tell me with a straight face it is going to be a problem for the Ravens. If indeed his play falls off its an easy out after year 1. Amazing. If he plays badly it is going to be a problem. I've never understood the logic that if a contract has outs because it is front-loaded it can't be a bad deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, LeotheLion said: If he plays badly it is going to be a problem. I've never understood the logic that if a contract has outs because it is front-loaded it can't be a bad deal. You are missing the point. It's not a front loaded contract. The signing bonus is only 6M. They pay him like a top corner as long as he's on the roster for 2020. $15 against the cap that year. If he sucks, they cut him amd only have $4M more to count against the cap. So the worst case is that he's terrible and we pay him one year of top corner money. This is an excellent deal for Baltimore. The franchise tag would have definitely cost more for 2020, and we wouldn't have the option to keep him for 10-11M annually if he plays well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: You are missing the point. It's not a front loaded contract. The signing bonus is only 6M. They pay him like a top corner as long as he's on the roster for 2020. $15 against the cap that year. If he sucks, they cut him amd only have $4M more to count against the cap. So the worst case is that he's terrible and we pay him one year of top corner money. This is an excellent deal for Baltimore. The franchise tag would have definitely cost more for 2020, and we wouldn't have the option to keep him for 10-11M annually if he plays well. I'm not missing the point. Peters is set to make a lot of money in year 1. If he doesn't play well, it is a bad contract for the Ravens. They could have used that $ elsewhere. It is the same logic we heard when the Chiefs paid big on Watkins that it is only for 2 years in Mahomes rookie window. The $15M could go to a lot better player if Peters regresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, LeotheLion said: I'm not missing the point. Peters is set to make a lot of money in year 1. If he doesn't play well, it is a bad contract for the Ravens. They could have used that $ elsewhere. It is the same logic we heard when the Chiefs paid big on Watkins that it is only for 2 years in Mahomes rookie window. The $15M could go to a lot better player if Peters regresses. Same could be said for literally any contract ever. "Yeah well if this guy who is playing great just suddenly plays bad next year then it's a bad contract!" - and I disagree, it's a bad contract if you allow yourself to be tied down to that player for several years after they start playing bad (see: Joe Flacco contract extension in 2014 or DeMarco Murray's contract in TEN, or Albert Haynesworth's contract in WAS, or Brock Osweiler anywhere, etc. etc.). Giving a guy essentially a 1-year deal with several outs past that is not in any way a "bad deal if he plays bad". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Same could be said for literally any contract ever. "Yeah well if this guy who is playing great just suddenly plays bad next year then it's a bad contract!" - and I disagree, it's a bad contract if you allow yourself to be tied down to that player for several years after they start playing bad (see: Joe Flacco contract extension in 2014 or DeMarco Murray's contract in TEN, or Albert Haynesworth's contract in WAS, or Brock Osweiler anywhere, etc. etc.). Giving a guy essentially a 1-year deal with several outs past that is not in any way a "bad deal if he plays bad". It cannot be said for every contract. This is a lot of money for 1 player. I said the same thing when the Rams signed Fowler last year. It was just 1 year but I hated the price. To his credit he played better than I thought he would but you have to look at the opportunity cost of spending big on Peters. And it isn't like it would be any bit surprising for a guy like Peters to regress next year. I will say on a side note I have no idea how the math works on the numbers that tweet has. How is $32M guaranteed if he can be cut after 1 year of $15M with only $4M in dead money? It seems like I either don't understand the contract or the guaranteed piece is off. Edit: I read elsewhere that the 2nd base year becomes guaranteed after the 5th day of the league year 2020. So if that is right its a 2 year guarantee and the table will change in March. Edited January 2, 2020 by LeotheLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 10:40 AM, ITS_RAMMY_PLAYBOI said: No because even Chief fans warned us about him. He made plays but he gave up so many. He’s up there Nick Foles as one of the most useless rams FA ever. Blasphemy! Take up your issues with Jeff Fisher, good sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, LeotheLion said: I'm not missing the point. Peters is set to make a lot of money in year 1. If he doesn't play well, it is a bad contract for the Ravens. They could have used that $ elsewhere. It is the same logic we heard when the Chiefs paid big on Watkins that it is only for 2 years in Mahomes rookie window. The $15M could go to a lot better player if Peters regresses. Welp, aside from him having played very well this year, as far as we know he doesn't have a degenerative knee issue or anything like that, so that's good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: Welp, aside from him having played very well this year, as far as we know he doesn't have a degenerative knee issue or anything like that, so that's good news. Never said he did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeotheLion said: Never said he did... Oh i know you didn't. Just happy he doesn't have any knee problems or anything - because THAT would be concerning to invest in imo. Also good news that he's at a premium position where production isn't incredibly easy to replace, like, say, a running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Reed said: Oh i know you didn't. Just happy he doesn't have any knee problems or anything - because THAT would be concerning to invest in imo. Also good news that he's at a premium position where production isn't incredibly easy to replace, like, say, a running back. I don't know your point. Because Peters is healthy and a corner it's a good signing in your book? Do Ravens fans on this site have interest discussing football or just want to troll? It's pretty tiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.10.E Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I have no idea why this thread reached 7 pages and I'm not sure I want to find out. Solid contract all around. What else is there to say? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, LeotheLion said: I don't know your point. Because Peters is healthy and a corner it's a good signing in your book? Do Ravens fans on this site have interest discussing football or just want to troll? It's pretty tiring. Because Peters is playing at a very high level, because he is young, because he is healthy, at a premium position, and because the Ravens lose a grand total of $4m in dead money if Peters' play magically regresses after a year (which tons of Rams fans are predicting because he didn't work out in LA) if we cut him, yes, due to all of those things - coupled with the Ravens having a ton of cap space the next few years for the first time in forever - it's a good signing in my book. And no one's trolling you lol if you're that sensitive idk what to tell you man. There's bad deals done in the NFL. Especially with non premium positions with a history of knee issues. This isn't that. It's a good deal. Sorry about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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