big_palooka Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Jerry said: Maurice Hurst was graded as the top player in all of college according to PFF. Maybe a good pick for the Raiders at 9-10? I don't follow a lot of college, I just noticed that not many people are talking about him even though he received such a high grade from PFF. I know a lot of people think PFF is garbage, but I'd still like to know what people think about him. I hate be PFF. More so on the college level. Entirely too many variables and personal opinions. My wife's family are Mich grads so I've seen a lot of Hurst and here is my take. He has a good first step. He's disruptive when he's free on stunts and movement on the Dline. Otherwise, he's undersized and easily neutralized when locked on against quality Oline players. Stronger guys with length own him once they get their hands on him. IMO, NFL interiors will give him fits. He's a 3Tech that needs the right scheme to be successful and get him upfield. Top 10 is to rich for me. I have him 20-32. I like his pass rush potential however. He could fit Guenther's scheme as a 3tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 31/01/2018 at 12:30 AM, NCOUGHMAN said: Don't know why he isn't getting first round love I don't see any reason he shouldn't be picked in the 1st. He's extremely impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 9 hours ago, big_palooka said: I hate be PFF. More so on the college level. Entirely too many variables and personal opinions. My wife's family are Mich grads so I've seen a lot of Hurst and here is my take. He has a good first step. He's disruptive when he's free on stunts and movement on the Dline. Otherwise, he's undersized and easily neutralized when locked on against quality Oline players. Stronger guys with length own him once they get their hands on him. IMO, NFL interiors will give him fits. He's a 3Tech that needs the right scheme to be successful and get him upfield. Top 10 is to rich for me. I have him 20-32. I like his pass rush potential however. He could fit Guenther's scheme as a 3tech. Ok Mel palooka Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Ok Mel palooka Jr. You'd select him at 10? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: You'd select him at 10? Why? Same reason I loved Aaron Donald, he's not a liability against the run can get pressure in an instant, can he get stronger, of course ,and he will, but his height limitation is actually a plus, he gets lower than the O linemen and wins with leverage and a good motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, raidr4life said: Same reason I loved Aaron Donald, he's not a liability against the run can get pressure in an instant, can he get stronger, of course ,and he will, but his height limitation is actually a plus, he gets lower than the O linemen and wins with leverage and a good motor. hes no aaron donald imo not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidersare#1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 We need a DT the two best are Vita Vea and Dron Payne, both will be availble at our pick. Hurst is not a top 10 pick he is valued between 25 and 32. both are as good or better than any DT on our team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 hours ago, raidr4life said: Same reason I loved Aaron Donald, he's not a liability against the run can get pressure in an instant, can he get stronger, of course ,and he will, but his height limitation is actually a plus, he gets lower than the O linemen and wins with leverage and a good motor. So basically you want him to be Aaron Donald. But he's not even close. There are serious questions about if he can add to his frame. He also loses because he's undersized and can be controlled easily when squared up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, big_palooka said: So basically you want him to be Aaron Donald. But he's not even close. There are serious questions about if he can add to his frame. He also loses because he's undersized and can be controlled easily when squared up. Hurst doesn't lose often. He absorbs double teams more than almost any other interior player in college football. He's not a guy offensive lines move easily. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I don't think he's Aaron Donald (he's not the same athlete) but I do see Mike Daniels/Sheldon Rankins in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I don't think he's Aaron Donald (he's not the same athlete) but I do see Mike Daniels/Sheldon Rankins in him. Which is why I don't think he's a top 10 pick. He's not among the top 10 players in this class. I like him, think he will have a nice career but anyone wanting to take him top 10 is misguided because they think he can be Aaron Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Which is why I don't think he's a top 10 pick. He's not among the top 10 players in this class. I like him, think he will have a nice career but anyone wanting to take him top 10 is misguided because they think he can be Aaron Donald. I disagree. I think he's easily within the top 10-15 players in this draft (I'm not ranking QB since the Raiders don't need one): In no order: Denzel Ward Vita Vea Saquon Barkley Derrius Guice Quenton Nelson Joshua Jackson Minkah Fitzpatrick Maurice Hurst Tremaine Edmunds Roquan Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: Which is why I don't think he's a top 10 pick. He's not among the top 10 players in this class. I like him, think he will have a nice career but anyone wanting to take him top 10 is misguided because they think he can be Aaron Donald. Funny thing is when I said if Mack doesn't fall to us we should take Aaron Donald, people said the same things you are saying now. Now it's "nobody is Aaron Donald" not say he is, but he will be imppactful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, raidr4life said: Funny thing is when I said if Mack doesn't fall to us we should take Aaron Donald, people said the same things you are saying now. Now it's "nobody is Aaron Donald" not say he is, but he will be imppactful. Just because Donald has been exceptional doesn't mean Hurst will be anything. I see many differences in the extent of their traits but his draft position is still in question and a good performance at the combine could help him greatly in that respect. As to his impact I think it will have a lot to do with his situation after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Nick Chubb has been my favorite RB Prospect for the past three years, more so than Elliott or Fournette. I'm not a fan of taking a RB in the 1st, but would you guys consider him if he's there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Raider Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Definitely not since he should be available anywhere between rounds two and four. He could fill a similar role that Murray and lynch had if gruden could get more out of the smurfs. I’d be happy with him in the third or fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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