dwaye50327 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 My question is what if so called "busts" would have been drafted by another team and great players would have been draft to another team? What players would have had better careers, worse careers, etc? For example, what if Trubisky(not calling Trubisky a bust) and Mahomes get drafted by opposite teams? Would Trubisky have been 10 times better then he his now under Andy Reid and the offense they have in KC? Would Mahomes have struggled more in Chicago? What if tony mandarich hadn't been drafted by the Packers and played in a different offense with different coaches, would he have had a better career? How much do offense schemes and coaches effect if a player busts or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Lots of reasons, so many guessing games. Can't adjust to the higher level of competition. Not able to invest the time and energy it takes to be a professional, both mentally and physically. Suddenly you're a rich dude and the money ruins you with distractions. Can't handle the media attention and team expectations. Forced to play a different position in the NFL compared to HS/college. Schemes and coaches can certainly make or break a guy. But really, the cream rises to the top no matter the team or coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolsurebro Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Chemistry is key in all things. It's not always predictable what is going to create that chemistry, but you know it when you see it and feel it. The Ravens last year had the strongest chemistry of any team in the NFL. Watch their games, and you'll see it too (minus the choke in the playoffs. The energy in the team during that game was defeating.) It's also why you can have Tannehill do atrocious in Miami but flourish in Tennessee. You get the right people together, and it creates an energy that fuels success and motivation. Edited March 2, 2020 by lolsurebro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, dwaye50327 said: For example, what if Trubisky(not calling Trubisky a bust) I think it’s safe to call Trubisky a bust. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 54 minutes ago, FinSting said: Schemes and coaches can certainly make or break a guy. But really, the cream rises to the top no matter the team or coach. Disagree with that part. There have been a million players who were bad for one team and great on another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It also depends on how many guys were "rushed" due to need, etc. Some guys need time to develop and are thrown to the wolves too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) To answer your question, I would say that talent mostly finds a way, but coaching and situation maximizes (or minimizes) their potential. Talented players will be good pretty much no matter what (to some realistic degree). Mahomes would still be Mahomes in Chicago, and Trubisky would still be Trubisky in KC. But as fans I think our perspective on them as players would be different, however. For example, Mahomes landed in a great situation that is pretty much maximizing his potential as a player - he’s got a great supporting cast and a HOF, offensive-minded coach. If he was in a lesser situation - let’s say Chicago - I don’t think he would be putting up the gaudy numbers (50 TDs) or have a Super bowl ring, or even be the unanimous #1 QB in the publics eye. He might still be great and put up really good numbers, but our perspective of him as a player wouldn’t be so high because his potential hasn’t been completely tapped yet. Or take Joe Burrow for example. What if he didn’t transfer from OSU? Would he still be the same player? I honestly think so, he just would have been drafted a lot later. He would still have the same natural instincts, fiery competitive nature, character, arm talent, etc. He just wouldn’t of been able to unveil his talent without LSU. Coaching matters. Supporting cast matters. Situation matters. But it isn’t the end all. A great player will eventually shine and an average player will eventually look average, they just might not of gotten the opportunity to showcase it yet. Edited March 2, 2020 by SmittyBacall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The main reason is expectations. You do not live up to expectations you are a bust for that team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Disagree with that part. There have been a million players who were bad for one team and great on another. Sounds like the cream rose to the top. Hence we agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, FinSting said: 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Disagree with that part. There have been a million players who were bad for one team and great on another. Sounds like the cream rose to the top. Hence we agree... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 In all sincerity, everyone has already covered the reasons here. It's not predictable, and it's not always explainable after the fact. But there are always different reasons for it. Football a weird sport where guys on either side of you can make you look good or bad with no changes to your actual play. And it's very difficult to tease that out of the film, even when you know everyone's assignments. It's why guys can move teams, or a new coach can come in, and all of the sudden a bad player can turn good or vice versa. Weird sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, FinSting said: Sounds like the cream rose to the top. Hence we agree... "no matter what team" is the part I was disagreeing with. Steve Young is never a HOF QB if he is stuck on the bucs. It mattered that he went to the (stacked) 49ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Matts4313 said: "no matter what team" is the part I was disagreeing with. Steve Young is never a HOF QB if he is stuck on the bucs. It mattered that he went to the (stacked) 49ers. Busts for one team were stars for another. Stars for one team were busts for another. That's just normal NFL stuff. Plus, Young had wayyyyy better USFL stats than Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Town Values Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 hours ago, dwaye50327 said: not calling Trubisky a bust He's heading in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Coaching matters, a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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