FFMD II '20 - Discussion / Guidelines

[MikeT14]

6 hours ago, ny92mike said:

Giants draft complete.

• 1st Rnd - Pick 7 | Overall: 7 | NYG selects Andrew Thomas - LT
• 2nd Rnd - Pick 4 | Overall: 36 | NYG selects Cesar Ruiz - C
• 2nd Rnd - Pick 6 | Overall: 38 | NYG selects Terrell Lewis - 34OLB
• 4th Rnd - Pick 4 | Overall: 110 | NYG selects Harrison Bryant - TE
• 5th Rnd - Pick 4 | Overall: 150 | NYG selects John Hightower - WR
• 6th Rnd - Pick 4 | Overall: 184 | NYG selects Stanford Samuels III - CB
• 7th Rnd - Pick 4 | Overall: 219 | NYG selects Trishton Jackson - WR
• 7th Rnd - Pick 24 | Overall: 239 | NYG selects Simon Stepaniak - RG
• 7th Rnd - Pick 33 | Overall: 248 | NYG selects James Robinson - RB
• 7th Rnd - Pick 41 | Overall: 256 | NYG selects Chauncey Rivers - 34OLB

God I hope that isn't real life.

[ny92mike]

14 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

God I hope that isn't real life.

I doubt it happens irl, this current gm goes after the flash players.  So I'm hopeful that this year he changes direction and targets some offensive lineman with these early round picks.  Otherwise, what's the point in drafting the quarterback last year or the running back the year before that.

In 13 games, 12 starts, Daniel Jones racked up some quality games but he also was sacked 38 times, 12 interceptions and fumbled the ball 18 times. 

Barkley's numbers are down across the board from his rookie year.  

Anyway, my point is the Giants have been finding ways to screw up the offensive line for some time now and unless this franchise can figure out how to clean it up, Barkley and perhaps even Jones will be looking to move on from the franchise when their contracts expire, I know I would.  Getting a top tackle and center aren't flashy players but are exactly what this franchise needs right now.  I view both of these are day one starters and considerable upgrades to what the team currently has on hand.

Even the 4th round pick, Harrison Bryant was selected for his previous experience playing tackle.  Not from a big school but the nfl draft analyst seem to love this kid.

Per,  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/harrison-bryant?id=32194252-5936-3372-c05e-d19e0eddbf05

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Bryant's plus athletic traits, high football IQ and toughness as a blocker make him one of the most talented, well-rounded tight ends in this draft. He's a little light to be considered for full-time work as a "Y" tight end, but his technique and tenacity should not be discounted in his ability to help the running game. He's instinctive in space with speed and separation talent to work all three levels and gives offensive coordinators the freedom to line him up all over the field. Bryant could become an early starter and has the talent to be a high volume pass-catching target as a move tight end.

Even drawing the comparison to George Kittle

 ....I'll believe that when I see it.

  Nonetheless, with Rhett Ellison retired, who in my mind was our best blocking TE and Engram rarely seeing the field it just made sense to go TE.

 

 

 

[Calvert28]

I think we should do a real vote with all of FFMD to see who legitimately had the best offseason and voted on by everyone. 

Sorry but those writers picks were very narrow in their selections. 

[Calvert28]

On 4/17/2020 at 9:25 PM, MikeT14 said:

God I hope that isn't real life.

No worries. It's the Giants. 

[Kirill]

15 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

I think we should do a real vote with all of FFMD to see who legitimately had the best offseason and voted on by everyone. 

Sorry but those writers picks were very narrow in their selections. 

would be cool to have everyone pick their best pick in each round and best overall draft and then tally the votes

[HoboRocket]

16 minutes ago, Kirill said:

would be cool to have everyone pick their best pick in each round and best overall draft and then tally the votes

I love this idea.

Our draft is finally finished for the Cardinals. I'll post a write-up on it later. I'd love a grade from a writer, though!

[Kirill]

5 minutes ago, HoboRocket said:

I love this idea.

Our draft is finally finished for the Cardinals. I'll post a write-up on it later. I'd love a grade from a writer, though!

we'd just have to make it where people can't vote for their own team

Edited April 19, 2020 by Kirill

[Kirill]

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Edited April 19, 2020 by Kirill

[HoboRocket]

On 4/17/2020 at 11:01 PM, ny92mike said:

Even the 4th round pick, Harrison Bryant was selected for his previous experience playing tackle.  Not from a big school but the nfl draft analyst seem to love this kid.

Per,  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/harrison-bryant?id=32194252-5936-3372-c05e-d19e0eddbf05

 ....I'll believe that when I see it.

  Nonetheless, with Rhett Ellison retired, who in my mind was our best blocking TE and Engram rarely seeing the field it just made sense to go TE.

 

 

 

Here's what I wrote on Harrison Bryant when I was doing my pre-draft work.

"Harrison Bryant:
I'm not worried about his size at all. If you like him, you go based off of his tape and what he demonstrated in Pre-Draft workouts, not his measurables.

He abused people in the run game and in pass pro at the Senior Bowl, and reportedly did the same in practices. He did that a lot at FAU, but there were concerns about the level of competition.

As far as his receiving ability goes, he's one of the most natural receivers in this class, regardless of position. He CONSTANTLY finds soft spots in the zone and tempos his routes excellently through zone coverage with almost a sixth sense of where defenders are in their drops or if they're breaking on him, even if they're behind him. His contact balance is excellent. He repeatedly doesn't get knocked down by contact, even when players come flying in and smash into him, and he forces defenders to drag him down every time he has the ball. He's excellent at tracking the ball, and has an uncanny level of awareness where it's almost like he can see the future. I guess the closest player I can compare that to is like with Cooper Kupp where it's almost like he knows exactly what Goff is doing, where the other receivers are, and where Goff is going with the football before he throws it. This enables guys like Bryant and Kupp to be in position when the play breaks down, when other players fumble, or if a pass deflects off of someone's hands (I'm thinking of Kupp's legendary touchdown in like his first game where the ball bounced off of Woods' hands at the goal-line and Kupp made a sliding catch off the deflection for the TD. Also, Bryant doesn't get bothered by hands-y DBs. There are numerous times on his tape where he's getting interfered with and still makes the catch, almost as if the DB isn't there in the first place. I think this happened against Southern Miss, but on one play he was in the flat in the red-zone and a linebacker came HURTLING in to hit him before the ball even reached him... The dude bounced off and ended up needing to leave the game because he injured his shoulder. By the way, Bryant caught the ball and took it in for a TD. There was also this play, don't remember EXACTLY who it was against, maybe Marshall, but it reminded me of that Adrian Peterson run in the 2008 season where he dragged like six guys twenty yards, or the Gronk TD in 2014 that was basically the same thing. Harrison Bryant dragged like six defenders like ten yards and eventually there were like nine defenders who dragged him down. I don't care if these are small school guys with bad instincts and tackling problems, or smaller frames, or whatever. I don't care about Combine measurables. It takes INSANE lower body strength and excellent balance to take that many hits and continue dragging people. And it's not just that freak play. Bryant drags people and powers through contact all the time. It's all over his film. He has very soft hands and, like I said, he's a pro at tracking the ball. He's also not afraid of getting beaten up while making the catch. His RAC skills are really among the best in the class, and he really makes you work to get him down. He's fast enough to create separation. His hips are very fluid, as he pivots very well and fools safeties on his route with his ability to whip them around. He's not really a side-stepper with how he moves, he doesn't juke people out of their socks, and he's always running straight. That could play into his lack of an impressive 3-cone because he doesn't really side-step or move that way. However, he can change the way that he's facing so quickly that I don't really think it matters. It's hard to explain, but yeah, he has very fluid hips, and he knows how to make sure that he's always running straight while still changing direction. 

So let's talk about his body and get that out of the way. He's 6'5", and in the 240s, so while he's thin, he certainly has room for growth. He has t-rex arms at 30 inches, which were the shortest measured among TEs at the Combine. However, he hasn't been caught reaching very often in the blocking game thanks to constantly-moving feet, and in the passing game length has hardly been an issue, because he is constantly making a play on the ball and beating defenders to it, and he is great at boxing people out and keeping his large frame in the way. As far as his track speed in shorts goes, it's good, but not elite. He didn't look like someone who was natural coming out of the start for his 40, but that's entirely understandable with his frame and lack of track experience. This guy is a pure football player. He doesn't really lose any speed in pads. His 3-cone wasn't very good, but it's fair to point out that he looked INCREDIBLY SMOOOOOTH once the football drills started. His gauntlet was probably the best at the Combine. He tracked the football very quickly and made catches outside his frame. He also was like the best performer in the blocking sled drills, with a real noticeable pop and great timing overall with how quickly he moved that sled. That feeds into the reports that he was the most impressive TE in the blocking game at the Senior Bowl."

I have Harrison Bryant as TE1, FWIW. Still not a day-1 pick, but there are a variety of TEs that could be quality starters to find on days 2 and 3.

Edited April 19, 2020 by HoboRocket

[Calvert28]

53 minutes ago, Kirill said:

we'd just have to make it where people can't vote for their own team

Well sometimes their team may be the best answer.

I would say no fan of their own team based on the honor system should exclude themselves from voting for their team. And make sure the polls show the name results so we can shame them if they do and disregard their vote with public humiliation!

[ny92mike]

2 hours ago, HoboRocket said:

Here's what I wrote on Harrison Bryant when I was doing my pre-draft work.

"Harrison Bryant:
I'm not worried about his size at all. If you like him, you go based off of his tape and what he demonstrated in Pre-Draft workouts, not his measurables.

He abused people in the run game and in pass pro at the Senior Bowl, and reportedly did the same in practices. He did that a lot at FAU, but there were concerns about the level of competition.

As far as his receiving ability goes, he's one of the most natural receivers in this class, regardless of position. He CONSTANTLY finds soft spots in the zone and tempos his routes excellently through zone coverage with almost a sixth sense of where defenders are in their drops or if they're breaking on him, even if they're behind him. His contact balance is excellent. He repeatedly doesn't get knocked down by contact, even when players come flying in and smash into him, and he forces defenders to drag him down every time he has the ball. He's excellent at tracking the ball, and has an uncanny level of awareness where it's almost like he can see the future. I guess the closest player I can compare that to is like with Cooper Kupp where it's almost like he knows exactly what Goff is doing, where the other receivers are, and where Goff is going with the football before he throws it. This enables guys like Bryant and Kupp to be in position when the play breaks down, when other players fumble, or if a pass deflects off of someone's hands (I'm thinking of Kupp's legendary touchdown in like his first game where the ball bounced off of Woods' hands at the goal-line and Kupp made a sliding catch off the deflection for the TD. Also, Bryant doesn't get bothered by hands-y DBs. There are numerous times on his tape where he's getting interfered with and still makes the catch, almost as if the DB isn't there in the first place. I think this happened against Southern Miss, but on one play he was in the flat in the red-zone and a linebacker came HURTLING in to hit him before the ball even reached him... The dude bounced off and ended up needing to leave the game because he injured his shoulder. By the way, Bryant caught the ball and took it in for a TD. There was also this play, don't remember EXACTLY who it was against, maybe Marshall, but it reminded me of that Adrian Peterson run in the 2008 season where he dragged like six guys twenty yards, or the Gronk TD in 2014 that was basically the same thing. Harrison Bryant dragged like six defenders like ten yards and eventually there were like nine defenders who dragged him down. I don't care if these are small school guys with bad instincts and tackling problems, or smaller frames, or whatever. I don't care about Combine measurables. It takes INSANE lower body strength and excellent balance to take that many hits and continue dragging people. And it's not just that freak play. Bryant drags people and powers through contact all the time. It's all over his film. He has very soft hands and, like I said, he's a pro at tracking the ball. He's also not afraid of getting beaten up while making the catch. His RAC skills are really among the best in the class, and he really makes you work to get him down. He's fast enough to create separation. His hips are very fluid, as he pivots very well and fools safeties on his route with his ability to whip them around. He's not really a side-stepper with how he moves, he doesn't juke people out of their socks, and he's always running straight. That could play into his lack of an impressive 3-cone because he doesn't really side-step or move that way. However, he can change the way that he's facing so quickly that I don't really think it matters. It's hard to explain, but yeah, he has very fluid hips, and he knows how to make sure that he's always running straight while still changing direction. 

So let's talk about his body and get that out of the way. He's 6'5", and in the 240s, so while he's thin, he certainly has room for growth. He has t-rex arms at 30 inches, which were the shortest measured among TEs at the Combine. However, he hasn't been caught reaching very often in the blocking game thanks to constantly-moving feet, and in the passing game length has hardly been an issue, because he is constantly making a play on the ball and beating defenders to it, and he is great at boxing people out and keeping his large frame in the way. As far as his track speed in shorts goes, it's good, but not elite. He didn't look like someone who was natural coming out of the start for his 40, but that's entirely understandable with his frame and lack of track experience. This guy is a pure football player. He doesn't really lose any speed in pads. His 3-cone wasn't very good, but it's fair to point out that he looked INCREDIBLY SMOOOOOTH once the football drills started. His gauntlet was probably the best at the Combine. He tracked the football very quickly and made catches outside his frame. He also was like the best performer in the blocking sled drills, with a real noticeable pop and great timing overall with how quickly he moved that sled. That feeds into the reports that he was the most impressive TE in the blocking game at the Senior Bowl."

I have Harrison Bryant as TE1, FWIW. Still not a day-1 pick, but there are a variety of TEs that could be quality starters to find on days 2 and 3.

Awesome write up...thanks for sharing.

[HoboRocket]

16 minutes ago, ny92mike said:

Awesome write up...thanks for sharing.

No problem! I do these things as my second job, and occasionally I share them here on FF. I've shared extensive breakdowns on Jacob Eason and Jalen Hurts this year, as well. I can't think of any others off the top of my head, but I may have.

[EaglesPeteC]

Awards will be presented at 8pm tonight! 

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, EaglesPeteC said:

Awards will be presented at 8pm tonight! 

In the spirit of this, my top drafts, since they weren't all options:

1. Kansas City Chiefs: @KirillFrom a pure talent standpoint, they're the big winners.  YGM and Diggs were a great first round, even if Diggs wasn't the best CB available, but the real wins came later.  Taylor was the steal of the draft, and gives Mahomes a reliable runner.  Lemieux will give them OG depth, with the potential to start, and Zack Moss gives them a stacked rushing attack.  They could have done better with Agim, but even so, they added two starters on defense, and really gave a new element to an already unstoppable offense.

2. Detroit Lions: @TL-TwoWinsAway The Lions had an easier time of it with a high pick, but they added way more by trading down.  They secured two blue chip defenders in Okudah and Kinlaw in the first, then added to it with quality picks in Aiyuk, Ben Bredesen, Cameron Clark, and Joshua Kelley, who should all be contributors or starters in the very near future.

3. Minnesota Vikings: @RpMc The Vikings picked up an outstanding CB duo in Jeff Gladney and AJ Terrell, and then good value picks in Burgess, Taylor, and Wanogho.  They had decent value picks with Simpson and Edwards too.   A little one dimensional with the top two picks going to the same position, but otherwise fantastic. 

4. Seattle Seahawks: @MikeT14 You know this isn't how it would play out in real life because the Seahawks had a great draft.  Nothing shocking, but Jackson, Pittman, Uche, and Alton Robinson were all good value picks in the first three rounds.  Add a steal of Fromm and great late picks in Perine and Ismael, and it's a great draft.

5. New York Jets: @bcb1213 I'm higher on Beckton than most, and not accounting for his failed drug test, which came out after this, the Jets did good to land the last of the big four, and the highest ceilinged OT in the draft.  Shenault was a good grab in the second after better options had been snagged, Igbinoghene was a value pick, and Greenard was the sonce biggest steal of this draft.  Deverney, Bellamy, and Durant were good value picks late.

HM: Miami Dolphins: @mountainpd I really like the Dolphins draft, and they did well with what they had, adding more talent than any other team.  They also started with a ridiculous amount of capital, so they just barely miss the top 5 IMO.

Edited April 20, 2020 by Daniel

[mountainpd]

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

In the spirit of this, my top drafts, since they weren't all options:

1. Kansas City Chiefs: @KirillFrom a pure talent standpoint, they're the big winners.  YGM and Diggs were a great first round, even if Diggs wasn't the best CB available, but the real wins came later.  Taylor was the steal of the draft, and gives Mahomes a reliable runner.  Lemieux will give them OG depth, with the potential to start, and Zack Moss gives them a stacked rushing attack.  They could have done better with Agim, but even so, they added two starters on defense, and really gave a new element to an already unstoppable offense.

2. Detroit Lions: @TL-TwoWinsAway The Lions had an easier time of it with a high pick, but they added way more by trading down.  They secured two blue chip defenders in Okudah and Kinlaw in the first, then added to it with quality picks in Aiyuk, Ben Bredesen, Cameron Clark, and Joshua Kelley, who should all be contributors or starters in the very near future.

3. Minnesota Vikings: @RpMc The Vikings picked up an outstanding CB duo in Jeff Gladney and AJ Terrell, and then good value picks in Burgess, Taylor, and Wanogho.  They had decent value picks with Simpson and Edwards too.   A little one dimensional with the top two picks going to the same position, but otherwise fantastic. 

4. Seattle Seahawks: @MikeT14 You know this isn't how it would play out in real life because the Seahawks had a great draft.  Nothing shocking, but Jackson, Pittman, Uche, and Alton Robinson were all good value picks in the first three rounds.  Add a steal of Fromm and great late picks in Perine and Ismael, and it's a great draft.

5. New York Jets: @bcb1213 I'm higher on Beckton than most, and not accounting for his failed drug test, which came out after this, the Jets did good to land the last of the big four, and the highest ceilinged OT in the draft.  Shenault was a good grab in the second after better options had been snagged, Igbinoghene was a value pick, and Greenard was the sonce biggest steal of this draft.  Deverney, Bellamy, and Durant were good value picks late.

HM: Miami Dolphins: @mountainpd I really like the Dolphins draft, and they did well with what they had, adding more talent than any other team.  They also started with a ridiculous amount of capital, so they just barely miss the top 5 IMO.

Nice work. More of these peeps please. I will get one done later.