NateDawg Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 32 minutes ago, ReggieCamp said: I disagree with you about Berry and the salary cap. I guess that makes me a derp derp derper. But I will definitely agree with you on the economy. You’re not a derp derper reggie. I just don’t see a way the other shoe doesnt drop as we kick the can down the road though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 A derp derper is a shameless Berry apologist incapable of valid constructive criticism. “He’s been fine except the Watson trade” is the dumbest counter argument ever. He’s been fine except for potentially at best and probably at worst lighting 3 firsts and change and a quarter billion dollars on fire is really something else. At least I’m a self proclaimed Berry the GM hater. I bet he’s probably a really nice guy IRL, he just is trash as a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieCamp Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: A derp derper is a shameless Berry apologist incapable of valid constructive criticism. “He’s been fine except the Watson trade” is the dumbest counter argument ever. He’s been fine except for potentially at best and probably at worst lighting 3 firsts and change and a quarter billion dollars on fire is really something else. At least I’m a self proclaimed Berry the GM hater. I bet he’s probably a really nice guy IRL, he just is trash as a GM. So you don't think we have a good (or great) roster? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, ReggieCamp said: So you don't think we have a good (or great) roster? Because of what he has built? Absolutely not. Myles, Ward, Njoku, Chubb all weren’t his guys. I give him credit for trading for Cooper, drafting Emerson and JOK, along with Delpit who had a great year last year after a bad rookie injury and tough second year. DeWand had a nice year as well. I think the rest of the roster is super mediocre, I hated the Jeudy trade and contract, the Moore trade was meh at best, the Conklin contract sucks, Wills is meh at best and certainly not as good as Wirfs. Thats an average to above average job for a GM before essentially making the worst trade in the history of football up to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Berry has been pretty good with some really big warts. We'll have to see how it plays out, that will determine what he will be remembered for. We are kicking the can down the road and the run will in all likelihood end somewhat abruptly. There is a chance some of the later round picks become really good and we keep churning by drafting great every year, but it's not likely. Pretty sure the job of the current regime was to win at any cost and that's what they're trying to do. Worst case scenario they are just another name in the Cleveland Browns graveyard. For those looking for long term success, it's probably not happening in the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1803849617773318201?s=12&t=tlq5qP_mW2-oDtO7cQKI9Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Lonnie Phelps doing his best Perrion Winfrey impression. Memo to Lonnie the brain child: This team is loaded at DE, and you pull a stunt like this - then act the way you did afterwards? Can you even grasp what an opportunity and how much money you just pissed away? Charter member of The Mensa Midgets Club. See ya Lonnie Edited June 20 by brooks1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 6:02 AM, MWil23 said: Because of what he has built? Absolutely not. Myles, Ward, Njoku, Chubb all weren’t his guys. I give him credit for trading for Cooper, drafting Emerson and JOK, along with Delpit who had a great year last year after a bad rookie injury and tough second year. DeWand had a nice year as well. I think the rest of the roster is super mediocre, I hated the Jeudy trade and contract, the Moore trade was meh at best, the Conklin contract sucks, Wills is meh at best and certainly not as good as Wirfs. Thats an average to above average job for a GM before essentially making the worst trade in the history of football up to this point. It's an exaggeration that it was the worst trade in history. That still belongs to Hershell Walker. Watson is an awful person and sadly a mediocre football player. He throws a great ball, has average decision making and worsening athleticism. And he is now very injury prone. He plays football like he isnt fragile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 24 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: It's an exaggeration that it was the worst trade in history. That still belongs to Hershell Walker. The Browns gave up comparable assets and a LOT more money in a salary cap era. 24 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Watson is an awful person and sadly a mediocre football player. He throws a great ball, has average decision making and worsening athleticism. And he is now very injury prone. He plays football like he isnt fragile. He’s guaranteed 1/4 of a billion dollars. If he continues playing like this sans a half against Baltimore and against two dumpster squads in the Titans and Cardinals, they’d have been better off drafting literally 3 boxes of footballs because at least they can walk away with a sunk cost of draft assets and virtually no money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 53 minutes ago, MWil23 said: The Browns gave up comparable assets and a LOT more money in a salary cap era. He’s guaranteed 1/4 of a billion dollars. If he continues playing like this sans a half against Baltimore and against two dumpster squads in the Titans and Cardinals, they’d have been better off drafting literally 3 boxes of footballs because at least they can walk away with a sunk cost of draft assets and virtually no money. Yeah. It's dog poop. Bottom 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieCamp Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 hours ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1803849617773318201?s=12&t=tlq5qP_mW2-oDtO7cQKI9Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 Bleh The Phelps situation sucks. I liked him coming out of Kansas as a UDFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armbar Posted Friday at 11:49 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:49 AM 12 hours ago, candyman93 said: Bleh The Phelps situation sucks. I liked him coming out of Kansas as a UDFA. Yeah I did too…but he’s clearly not very good and apparently a piece of $hit. Buh-bye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted Friday at 11:56 AM Share Posted Friday at 11:56 AM 13 hours ago, ReggieCamp said: Let's be honest here. If Phelps was a star, a starter, or even a key rotational piece - the Browns would have gone to bat more ardently for Lonnie. But for a 2nd year UDFA who had a pedestrian season at best last year, and whose 2024 roster spot was tenuous at best - the Browns acted in a predictable way. Every team needs role players, and that would have been Lonnie. But when you fail to grasp the concept of not engaging in behavior that puts your career at risk - not much can be or should be done for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted Friday at 03:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 03:38 PM You get one, two, or for some, 30 chances to screw up if the perception is that you’re good enough. I think the front office has probably already shown that they don’t actually care that much about character, but this guy was fringe roster body so the move here was inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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