Kiwibrown Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Keys to innocence 1. Don't be poor 2. Be rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 12 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Keys to innocence 1. Don't be poor 2. Be rich. Those are also keys to being an alpha male 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Those are also keys to being an alpha male Nah, they would be reversed. 1. Be rich 2. Don't be poor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 I’m not ready to sound the alarms just yet, it’s still just preseason and this is a veteran team at this point. No rookie starters week 1 and only 1 second year starter in Jones ans that’s only if Conklin/Wills aren’t ready. Veteran coaches too, there’s no one who’s unproven in that regard either. Obviously we’d have all liked the reports out of camp to have been more positive, but practice is exactly that and I’m sure for a lot of vets training camp is hard to get up for and take super seriously every day. I think most of these players will hit another gear when the actual season starts. Watson is the key though, no doubts there. The arm soreness is a non issue, he practiced all day and took normal throws. It’s honestly not surprising as he just started throwing on consecutive days a few weeks ago iirc. He’s a vet, the offense has been tailored to his strengths, etc. and imo he’s entirely out of excuses. Sure he’ll have a bad game every now and then, everyone does, but either he’s “that dude” this season or it’s time to start looking for someone new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 There is definite cause for some tempered skepticism: 1. Watson hasn’t been good or available in 4+ years 2. Jerry Jeudy is a career underachiever 3. The OL situation is worse than past years 4. Chubb looks like he’s on the PUP list for 4 weeks and our backup RB are pretty meh 5. We have the toughest schedule in the NFL 6. New offensive system In a vacuum, the sky isn’t falling, but there’s enough there to be fairly uneasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: There is definite cause for some tempered skepticism: 1. Watson hasn’t been good or available in 4+ years He showed the elite ability in the ravens game, but yeah, he’s not been consistent or available. That game doesn’t mean a lot, but it does show the dude we traded for us still “in there”. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: 2. Jerry Jeudy is a career underachiever underachieving is only relevant when considering expectations. As a number 1 receiver? Absolutely underachieved in that regard. As a high end number 2? Eh, we’ll see. He’s had issues, if he didn’t he’d be a bonafide #1, but he’s also had not great QB play too. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: 3. The OL situation is worse than past years Not really imo. Maybe we start the year with some guys being hurt, but we played almost all of last season without Conklin, Jed missed games then as did pretty much everyone. Our OL is as talented as any in the league tbh, there’s no excuses for this group imo. Having to scheme around one subpar starter for a couple weeks isn’t the end of the world. Or shouldn’t be anyway. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: 4. Chubb looks like he’s on the PUP list for 4 weeks and our backup RB are pretty meh this completely depends on health to me. Ford is meh as hell imo, but Foreman is underrated and can play. Hines is really good at what I’d expect us to ask him to do (3rd down back stuff). Nothing worse than most of last year imo. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: 5. We have the toughest schedule in the NFL yeah, that’s always gonna be the case in this division. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: 6. New offensive system So this is a legit concern, fair enough. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: In a vacuum, the sky isn’t falling, but there’s enough there to be fairly uneasy. I think fairly uneasy is a conditioned response for this fanbase tbh lol. We have potential issues, sure, but so does pretty much every team. We should be competitive though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: He showed the elite ability in the ravens game, but yeah, he’s not been consistent or available. That game doesn’t mean a lot, but it does show the dude we traded for us still “in there”. He showed it in the second half of one game, yes 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: underachieving is only relevant when considering expectations. As a number 1 receiver? Absolutely underachieved in that regard. As a high end number 2? Eh, we’ll see. He’s had issues, if he didn’t he’d be a bonafide #1, but he’s also had not great QB play too. Tee Higgins is a high end 2. DeVontae Smith is a high end 2. Deebo Samuel is a high end 2. Jeudy has 11 TD in 4 years and has never eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark and has a massive case of the dripsies. But maybe he figures it out this season. And if he’s never had good QB play, he’s in the right spot until proven otherwise. 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Not really imo. Maybe we start the year with some guys being hurt, but we played almost all of last season without Conklin, Jed missed games then as did pretty much everyone. Our OL is as talented as any in the league tbh, there’s no excuses for this group imo. Having to scheme around one subpar starter for a couple weeks isn’t the end of the world. Or shouldn’t be anyway. If everyone is healthy, sure. If we continue to be banged up, I’m concerned. 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: this completely depends on health to me. Ford is meh as hell imo, but Foreman is underrated and can play. Hines is really good at what I’d expect us to ask him to do (3rd down back stuff). Nothing worse than most of last year imo. And last year was pretty “meh”. Underwhelming, average, however you want to define that. 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: yeah, that’s always gonna be the case in this division. And the out of division games are no cake walk either. 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: So this is a legit concern, fair enough. A new spread scheme when we having a mauling OL with Teller, Jones, and even Wills as drive blockers to a spread type scheme warrants pause IMO, and that doesn’t take anything else into account as far as a learning curve goes. 15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I think fairly uneasy is a conditioned response for this fanbase tbh lol. We have potential issues, sure, but so does pretty much every team. We should be competitive though. Conditioned response absolutely, but I think taking a step back and looking at the known variables is warranted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 @MWil23 I certainly didn't love the contract we gave Jeudy, but he's still better than any receiver we had on our roster last year besides Cooper. Even if he's just a "good" #2, that's better than what we had last year. Like I said, I think it's totally fair to criticize the contract we gave him, but he's still an upgrade from what we've had. Plus, he's dealt with some pretty bad QB play in Denver. If Watson is even average, that's an improvement for Jeudy and maybe his play becomes more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, DawgX said: @MWil23 I certainly didn't love the contract we gave Jeudy, but he's still better than any receiver we had on our roster last year besides Cooper. Even if he's just a "good" #2, that's better than what we had last year. Like I said, I think it's totally fair to criticize the contract we gave him, but he's still an upgrade from what we've had. I think it’s fair to say that all of this is true minus the fact that I don’t believe he’s shown to be a good #2. 6 minutes ago, DawgX said: Plus, he's dealt with some pretty bad QB play in Denver. If Watson is even average, that's an improvement for Jeudy and maybe his play becomes more consistent. “If Watson is even average” is a depressing sentence on so many levels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 With past seasons, we were really bad, but we lived off of the off-season, draft hype etc and the unrealistic optimism going into the season. It seems like in seasons where we were good, there is doom and gloom the following off-season. It’s a fun trend. All that said, I have us anywhere between 7-9 wins. I’m not sold on Watson elevating this team even if he is healthy, and my guy Chubb is an unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 I think we have one of the 5 most talented rosters on paper but I'm not sure I see us breaking 500. I'm very pessimistic on Watson and reading the tea-leaves it seems hes not ready to perform. Maybe Jameis cant step up. Who knows. I dont think Watson will start 20 more games for the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 (edited) Just explaining my schedule thought process: New York, Las Vegas, Washington, New Orleans, and Denver. Those are bad teams. I think last year we just fell asleep against Denver. Just didn’t look like they wanted to play. Denver was playing insanely hot, but they fizzled out for a reason. You could easily swap Denver out and say Jacksonville. We split the division, but not sure specifically who with. That gives you at least 8 wins. Edited August 23 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 As watsons complicated past is further and further away it will help him. I'm expecting him to be at least average. He can throw a great ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 14 hours ago, DawgX said: Plus, he's dealt with some pretty bad QB play in Denver. If Watson is even average, that's an improvement for Jeudy and maybe his play becomes more consistent. To be fair, the Broncos were the 6th most efficient passing team in the NFL last year at 96.7. The Browns were 31st at 73.7. Also, the Browns did pass for 400 more yards than the Broncos on like 120 more attempts so there should be better volume. The Browns were top 5 in pass attempts, the Broncos were bottom 5. Also, the Browns were top 5 in rush attempts. They ran 50 more offensive plays than the next closest team. Pretty impressive for an offense who was bottom 5 in yards per play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I can’t wait for the Watson apologists again this year with absurd excuses. Making out my bingo board now. ”He’s coming off of surgery” ”It’s a new system” ”Dorsey sucks” ”Stefanski shouldn’t be calling plays” ”We don’t have a running game”, bonus points for the contradiction 2 years ago about how archaic the running game is in todays NFL ”Insert generic comment here critical of the offensive line only having 2-3 pro bowl caliber players and needing a madden-esque OL with 5 guys 92 overall or better” ”Tough schedule” ”The defense regressed some” - bonus points for that having nothing to do with the offensive side ”Every quarterback has a few bad games” ”Just give it time, be patient, Browns fans are so impatient.” Bonus points for irony and it being Year 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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