Which QB would you want?

[ET80]

41 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

I feel like Watson has missed games almost every year. Am I wrong?

He only missed games his rookie season. Played year 2 with a broken sternum, played year 3 with a cracked orbital socket after getting kicked in the eye vs the Raiders, but he's played in 31 of 32 over the last two years (didn't play W17 vs Tennessee - got a week off before the playoffs).

[AntonChigurh]

Murray

Wentz

Lawrence

[HTTRDynasty]

1 hour ago, Matts4313 said:

While were at it:

						Passing															Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng
1	Kyler Murray	2019	2019	14	16	5-10-1	349	542	64.4	3722	20	87.4	88	12	48	309	6.9	6.61	5.78	5.55	93	544	4	5.8	35
2	Dak Prescott	2016	2016	16	16	13-3-0	311	459	67.8	3667	23	104.9	83	4	25	143	8.0	8.60	7.28	7.86	57	282	6	4.9	18

How do you think Dak would have performed if he was put into the situation Kyler was his rookie year?  How do you think Dak would have performed as the starting QB of the Texans last year?

[kingseanjohn]

4 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

How do you think Dak would have performed if he was put into the situation Kyler was his rookie year?  How do you think Dak would have performed as the starting QB of the Texans last year?

Dak has been very fortunate to play behind the OL that he has. I don’t see him having the same success in Arizona with that line. 

[Matts4313]

Just now, HTTRDynasty said:

How do you think Dak would have performed if he was put into the situation Kyler was his rookie year?  

Kyler Murray took over 3-13 team

Dak Prescott took over a 4-12 team

Obviously Dak going in the late 4th meant we were able to add more talent in that draft. Especially with the Cards burning back to back first rounders at QB. But we should keep some perspective that the bulk of this Cowboys team was a laughing stock the year before. 

Just now, HTTRDynasty said:

How do you think Dak would have performed as the starting QB of the Texans last year?

2019 Dak was equal to or better than 2019 Watson; so I think he would have done the same or better. 

[theJ]

1 hour ago, Matts4313 said:

 

						Passing															Rushing					Receiving
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A ▼	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng	Rec	Yds	TD	Y/R	Lng
1	Dak Prescott	2016	2019	60	64	40-24-0	1363	2071	65.8	15778	97	97.0	90	36	136	826	7.6	7.77	6.77	6.92	241	1221	21	5.1	42	0	0	0		0
2	Peyton Manning	1998	2001	62	64	32-32-0	1357	2226	61.0	16418	111	85.1	86	81	85	588	7.4	6.74	6.85	6.23	122	408	7	3.3	33	0	0	0		0
3	Drew Brees	2001	2004	34	43	21-21-0	802	1309	61.3	8772	56	83.2	79	38	65	501	6.7	6.25	6.02	5.59	114	317	3	2.8	22	2	59	1	29.5	38

 

You tell me. Dak has the most total yards, most total TDs, best CMP%, best rating, best ANY/A, least INTs, most wins (team stat). 

Obvi Manning and Brees started before the rule changes, but I would put Dak up against anyone in the past 20 years. 

It's just not relevant. The passing ruled changed in 2004, but offenses have continued to develop over the last 16. NFL offenses are more and more friendly to passers. There is a reason basically every QB throws for 20 TDS and less than 10 ints today.  

So yeah, his stats compare favorably to almost everyone ever. But it doesn't matter because as offenses continue to develop with advanced analytics, the QBs 10 years from now will surpass his stats.

That doesn't mean they're necessarily better. It just means the offenses are built to produce more efficient passing numbers. 

[Matts4313]

Just now, kingseanjohn said:

Dak has been very fortunate to play behind the OL that he has. I don’t see him having the same success in Arizona with that line. 

PFF/F.O./Other sites dont agree with you. Our OL was pretty terrible at passblocking for a stretch during 2017 and 2018. People still like to pretend its 2016 and our OL is elite.

Why do you think we are on our 4th OL coach in 2 years? 

[Matts4313]

2 minutes ago, theJ said:

It's just not relevant. The passing ruled changed in 2004, but offenses have continued to develop over the last 16. NFL offenses are more and more friendly to passers. There is a reason basically every QB throws for 20 TDS and less than 10 ints today.  

So yeah, his stats compare favorably to almost everyone ever. But it doesn't matter because as offenses continue to develop with advanced analytics, the QBs 10 years from now will surpass his stats.

That doesn't mean they're necessarily better. It just means the offenses are built to produce more efficient passing numbers. 

Do you think Jason Garrett and Scott Linehan created these so called "friendly" offenses? And before you answer, I remind you that probably 10-20 NFL players have come out and said our offensive scheme was horrific and archaic. 

[HTTRDynasty]

7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Kyler Murray took over 3-13 team

Dak Prescott took over a 4-12 team

Obviously Dak going in the late 4th meant we were able to add more talent in that draft. Especially with the Cards burning back to back first rounders at QB. But we should keep some perspective that the bulk of this Cowboys team was a laughing stock the year before. 

I don't care about the previous year's record.  Are you really putting that 2019 Cardinals roster on par with the 2016 Cowboys roster?

11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

2019 Dak was equal to or better than 2019 Watson; so I think he would have done the same or better. 

His stats were equal or better for sure.

[theJ]

31 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Do you think Jason Garrett and Scott Linehan created these so called "friendly" offenses? And before you answer, I remind you that probably 10-20 NFL players have come out and said our offensive scheme was horrific and archaic. 

I don't understand what you're trying to say

[Matts4313]

2 hours ago, theJ said:

I don't understand what you're trying to say

Im saying that even if offenses have advanced, the Cowboys offense didnt. We were stuck in 1992. 

[theJ]

6 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

Im saying that even if offenses have advanced, the Cowboys offense didnt. We were stuck in 1992. 

Oh, so you're one of those guys.  I see.

Hey man, i get it.  I used to defend Andy Dalton too.

But this is a bad tactic.  Because you see, that statement is false.  But i think we're done here, if we can't have a realistic conversation.  I'm not here for debates.

[Matts4313]

1 hour ago, theJ said:

Oh, so you're one of those guys.  I see.

Hey man, i get it.  I used to defend Andy Dalton too.

But this is a bad tactic.  Because you see, that statement is false.  But i think we're done here, if we can't have a realistic conversation.  I'm not here for debates.

Im not sure what you are implying here? Everyone from Dez Bryant to Stephen Gilmore have said the Cowboys offense was archaic and didnt adopt in 10 years. Our HC said he didnt believe in analytics. Our run/pass ratio was consistently one of the most run heavy there was. Jesse Holly (former player) literally just did an interview were he said Romo changed almost every play in the huddle.

There is a reason Garrett got stripped of playcalling. And then Scott Linehan was fired a few years later. They were stuck in the 90's.

 

Where am I not being realistic?

[Danger]

On 6/21/2020 at 11:53 AM, Daniel said:

How is Lawrence not everyone's obvious first choice?  Yall are nuts.

Because he hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet? I get it, the potential is there. But that's a big caveat there.

[Daniel]

4 minutes ago, Danger said:

Because he hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet? I get it, the potential is there. But that's a big caveat there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  If we're picking between him and Mahomes or Jackson or Watson, that makes sense.  Not when the other options are lesser prospects, a pretty good QB, and a good QB with injury history.  Those I'd argue about, but I at least get the logic to a degree, especially with Wentz.  Not Murray though.

A rookie year tells you almost no more than college ball, and he wasn't a world beater then anyway.  He's the choice that makes the absolute least sense.