Vikes22 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Toomers said: You mean like in 2018 when he got 15.5 sacks? Is that good? That’s good. Follows that up with 9... 1 year with double digit sacks. Arron Donald got paid after 5 years. 3 of those 5 years he had 10 plus sacks. ( 20.5 in one ) by the way, the other 2 years were 8 and 9. He deserved to get paid..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Well, I guess it was nice while it lasted then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomers Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Vikes22 said: That’s good. Follows that up with 9... 1 year with double digit sacks. Arron Donald got paid after 5 years. 3 of those 5 years he had 10 plus sacks. ( 20.5 in one ) by the way, the other 2 years were 8 and 9. He deserved to get paid..... Who’s comparing him to Donald? Did I say 25M like Donald could get easily? You said he had ONE GOOD YEAR. Which is easily shown to be false. He has 31 sacks compared to D. Buckner only having 24 in the last 3 seasons. And Jones missed 4 games. Buckner just got 21M/year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 The NFL IMO may want to consider down the road designating a % or $ figure for quarterbacks that doesn’t count against the salary cap. When Mahomes resets the market, it’s going to get crazy quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes22 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Toomers said: Who’s comparing him to Donald? Did I say 25M like Donald could get easily? You said he had ONE GOOD YEAR. Which is easily shown to be false. He has 31 sacks compared to D. Buckner only having 24 in the last 3 seasons. And Jones missed 4 games. Buckner just got 21M/year. Well, he gets 22.5 on average. If Chris Jones gets 15 a year, he should be very happy. And didn’t Chris Jones play DE in 2018? 15 million seem fair. Even though Danielle Hunter from the Vikings averages 14.4 million a year and he is a pro bowl DE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 49 minutes ago, MWil23 said: The NFL IMO may want to consider down the road designating a % or $ figure for quarterbacks that doesn’t count against the salary cap. When Mahomes resets the market, it’s going to get crazy quickly. The net effect would be that teams could spend more, which goes against the entire point of a salary cap from the owner's perspective. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: The net effect would be that teams could spend more, which goes against the entire point of a salary cap from the owner's perspective. Yes, but I more mean it in the sense of if you can have a hard cap that doesn’t fluctuate annually, while allowing flexibility for a QB and/or designated marquee player/players that would potentially be a win/win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Yes, but I more mean it in the sense of if you can have a hard cap that doesn’t fluctuate annually, while allowing flexibility for a QB and/or designated marquee player/players that would potentially be a win/win. The owners aren't going to want to offer money as a percentage of the contract either because as long as the NFL is growing that's a net win for the owners (as compared to contraction where then fixed dollar amounts are a win for the players). If an owner thinks the NFL is eventually going to contract, they'd sell high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: The owners aren't going to want to offer money as a percentage of the contract either because as long as the NFL is growing that's a net win for the owners (as compared to contraction where then fixed dollar amounts are a win for the players). If an owner thinks the NFL is eventually going to contract, they'd sell high. Perhaps, but football has long been successful and owners have made money hand over fist and grown exponentially solely off of marketing their talent, and while they could eat some up front, if they were pitched and came to the realization that they’ll make it up elsewhere setting this aside/not on the cap while simultaneously reaching the floor/rolling it over, I think it could be viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomers Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, Vikes22 said: Well, he gets 22.5 on average. If Chris Jones gets 15 a year, he should be very happy. And didn’t Chris Jones play DE in 2018? 15 million seem fair. Even though Danielle Hunter from the Vikings averages 14.4 million a year and he is a pro bowl DE... Let’s try this..... Who are all the DTs that should make more than Jones? And why they should. And less than Donald. Why not try to compare him to a similar player and circumstances like Buckner? Of course he’s played 3-4 DE. Just like Donald and most DTs these days. But trying to compare him to a pass-rushing 4-3 DE just shows you really don’t understand what your discussing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: The NFL IMO may want to consider down the road designating a % or $ figure for quarterbacks that doesn’t count against the salary cap. When Mahomes resets the market, it’s going to get crazy quickly. In addition to the point @ramssuperbowl99 made about increasing spending, to the extent the NFL fetishizes parity, a rule that would make it much easier for teams with elite QB's to pull away from the rest of the pack. From a competitive balance standpoint a flat cap % valuation for QB's would be doing the same thing that max contracts do in the NBA where superstars are valued the same as 2nd/3rd tier players. The fact that, say, Lebron counts as much against the cap as a Mike Conley does is why it's so hard for teams that don't have a Lebron/Kawhi/KD type to build teams to compete with their superteams, despite those superstars realistically being worth so much more if it was a true free market. If, as far as the salary cap and team-building was concerned, Mahomes was valued the exact same as, say, Josh Allen moving forward, it'd be that much harder for the Bills to ever build a team to challenge the Chiefs. Granted the NFL is quirky around this to begin with because of the rookie contracts, but if you're looking out over the Chiefs with Mahomes for the next 10 years and you're.a competitor you're hoping at least to get some advantage out of them having to play market value for him and maybe taking up 5-10% more cap in a given year compared to other franchise QB's. Now, considering we've got our own elite/MVP QB we're gonna have to break the bank for in a couple of years, I selfishly wouldn't mind any rule that made it easier for us to pay Lamar while maintaining flexibility to build the best possible team around him. But things like this Chris Jones situation is essentially exactly what the league hopes for when it comes to teams with superstars having to make sacrifices elsewhere. Edited July 1, 2020 by BaltimoreTerp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Vikes22 said: Well, he gets 22.5 on average. If Chris Jones gets 15 a year, he should be very happy. And didn’t Chris Jones play DE in 2018? 15 million seem fair. Even though Danielle Hunter from the Vikings averages 14.4 million a year and he is a pro bowl DE... It's not. He's going to get 20-21 million, and he deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfournier103 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 So, if Chris Jones thinks he's worth 20M per season, what does he think Patrick Mahomes should get, and how much should be left over for the other 51 players on the roster? Or is that not Jones' problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, rfournier103 said: So, if Chris Jones thinks he's worth 20M per season, what does he think Patrick Mahomes should get, and how much should be left over for the other 51 players on the roster? Or is that not Jones' problem? Why would any of that be Chris Jones' problem? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggio7 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Then, sit. I'm just tired of it. Play out the contract you actually signed and then deal with it afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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