vegas492 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, KingOfTheNorth said: I find it odd that Woodson and White are getting so many mentions but not CM3. I would include Clay before Woodson and White. Honestly though, all three would fall short for me. Lombardi, Starr, and Favre seem like locks to me. Then I can see an argument for the 4th spot between Lambeau, Hutson, and Rodgers. White and Woodson were icons in the league. And not just in GB. White is talked about (rightly so) as one of the best ends ever and not just a pass rush specialist. Woodson was an elite corner when he came here. Played great here. Went back to Oakland, was a high end safety. Clay? Great Packer, no doubt. More of a pass rush specialist. Even at that, he only went over 8 sacks in a season 4 times. Never had a crazy season with 15+ sacks. In fact, Z just got 13.5 sacks in his first season in GB. Matthews only did that once as well. For Rushmore, you gotta be an NFL legend. Not a team great. But that is just me. Lambeau, Lombardi, White, Favre, Woodson...NFL Legends. And there are a lot of legends behind Lombardi. Only reason I don't put Woody and White on our Rushmore is because of longevity with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Reggie White belongs on the Eagles Mount Rushmore. Not the Packers. Clay might have been in contention with better health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfTheNorth Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, vegas492 said: White and Woodson were icons in the league. And not just in GB. White is talked about (rightly so) as one of the best ends ever and not just a pass rush specialist. Woodson was an elite corner when he came here. Played great here. Went back to Oakland, was a high end safety. Clay? Great Packer, no doubt. More of a pass rush specialist. Even at that, he only went over 8 sacks in a season 4 times. Never had a crazy season with 15+ sacks. In fact, Z just got 13.5 sacks in his first season in GB. Matthews only did that once as well. For Rushmore, you gotta be an NFL legend. Not a team great. But that is just me. Lambeau, Lombardi, White, Favre, Woodson...NFL Legends. And there are a lot of legends behind Lombardi. Only reason I don't put Woody and White on our Rushmore is because of longevity with the team. While I agree with all of that, which is why Clay would be left off my list. I will say Clay is the Packer all time leader in Sacks, was a DPOTY (From PFWA), and had a fantastic SB performance. Clay is a Packer Legend, at least in my book. Edited July 15, 2020 by KingOfTheNorth Sorry confused an AP DPOTY with a PFWA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Starr won 5 Titles in 7 years Favre won 1 Title in 16 years You can't put Favre up there to the exclusion of Starr. You can make the case for just Starr ; and you can certainly make the case for both. But there is no case for just favre, and no Starr. Especially considering theeeee seminal play in franchise history, The Sneak. The Mount Rushmore designation is about franchise history, which is quite different than "the history of when I was old enough to be a fan" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Starr won 5 Titles in 7 years Favre won 1 Title in 16 years You can't put Favre up there to the exclusion of Starr. You can make the case for just Starr ; and you can certainly make the case for both. But there is no case for just favre, and no Starr. Especially considering theeeee seminal play in franchise history, The Sneak. The Mount Rushmore designation is about franchise history, which is quite different than "the history of when I was old enough to be a fan" Very good points. If I were to counter....I'd point out the number of teams in the time periods. And the level of competition. Favre had more competition. But still....I feel your point for Starr is very valid. Especially since you said Favre AND Starr, like a package deal. And I can behind a lot of Rushmore guys. And I have a tough time choosing the fourth. But I can get behind Lambeau, Lombardi, Starr and Favre. Seems a little disrespectful to Rodgers, but I go Favre over Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Just now, vegas492 said: If I were to counter....I'd point out the number of teams in the time periods. And the level of competition. So now you're besmirching Championships to prop up your hero ? My good man, have you no shame ? You can be the spokesperson for 1 era in the Packers storied history, but franchise history seems to be outside of your purview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Shanedorf said: So now you're besmirching Championships to prop up your hero ? My good man, have you no shame ? You can be the spokesperson for 1 era in the Packers storied history, but franchise history seems to be outside of your purview. Ha! No besmirching at all. And shame? That left me about a decade ago! Concerning my stance on this, I"ll ask that you re-read my statement..... "But still....I feel your point for Starr is very valid. Especially since you said Favre AND Starr, like a package deal." Only reason I wouldn't put Starr on there is the same reason why I wouldn't put Taylor, Hornung, Kramer, Gregg, Davis, Robinson, Nitschke, Adderly and Wood. (Apologies to all other greats that I missed.) All were greats that played under Lombardi. Lombardi alone represents all of them to me. And...if choosing four, I dig Lambeau, Lombardi, Starr and Favre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Shanedorf said: Starr won 5 Titles in 7 years Favre won 1 Title in 16 years You can't put Favre up there to the exclusion of Starr. You can make the case for just Starr ; and you can certainly make the case for both. But there is no case for just favre, and no Starr. Especially considering theeeee seminal play in franchise history, The Sneak. The Mount Rushmore designation is about franchise history, which is quite different than "the history of when I was old enough to be a fan" Sure there is, the case is that Lombardi got the nod for that era, and if we're being honest with ourselves, old titles with fewer teams mean less than modern titles, and Favre has the whole team Resurrection story going for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Sure there is, the case is that Lombardi got the nod for that era, and if we're being honest with ourselves, old titles with fewer teams mean less than modern titles, and Favre has the whole team Resurrection story going for him. You can't really compare different eras of football to each other. You can compare the dominance of your team in its era. You all get a 'feel good' about Favre, but his teams weren't dominant. Favre never won a Super Bowl without the #1 defense in the league- an uncomfortable truth. Plus, the guy turned traitor late in his career. You don't build monuments to traitors (or dik-pik takers). I'd vote for Lambeau, Hutson, Lombardi and Starr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Dubz41 said: You can't really compare different eras of football to each other. You can compare the dominance of your team in its era. You all get a 'feel good' about Favre, but his teams weren't dominant. Favre never won a Super Bowl without the #1 defense in the league- an uncomfortable truth. Plus, the guy turned traitor late in his career. You don't build monuments to traitors (or dik-pik takers). I'd vote for Lambeau, Hutson, Lombardi and Starr. Only guy to win 3 NFL MVP's in a row. That's dominance. Not sure if anyone outside of the state knows who Hutson is. Let alone what position he played, or how dominant he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2012 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 1:25 PM, AlexGreen#20 said: This take is very very very bad. Look slick you do get there are no wrong answers right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuntMyLumps Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 B.J Raji, Grady Jackson, Gilbert Brown, Johnny Jolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, vegas492 said: Only guy to win 3 NFL MVP's in a row. That's dominance. Not sure if anyone outside of the state knows who Hutson is. Let alone what position he played, or how dominant he was. Three MVPs in a row is impressive, but that doesn't negate the traitor/perve fact. Sorry, I know you love him, but I live in Minnesota and the crap he talked for two solid years up here.....just can't forget. He was one of the most exciting guys to watch because you never knew if he would throw a TD or an INT. His last pass for every team he played for was an INT. He could have retired a God, but he didn't, he retired wearing purple because he wanted to. He'll never be on my Packer Rushmore. Hutson is disqualified because he wasn't known nationally? I don't care. He was maybe the most dominant player at his position for the first 50 years of the NFL and it wasn't close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, gizmo2012 said: Look slick you do get there are no wrong answers right. Rashan Gary at inside linebacker should be on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Norm said: Rashan Gary at inside linebacker should be on it Damarius is seriously bummed that you forgot about him already Norm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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