Mazrimiv Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, spilltray said: Even ignoring the QB completely Green Bay is better on offense by a significantly wider margin than Minnesota is ahead defensively. I disagree one million percent. If you put Rodgers in the MIN offense with Diggs, Thielen, Cook and Rudolph, that Vikings offense is every bit as potent as the current GB offense. Probably even more potent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Not with that OL. Theilen is nothing. He'd be burried with Geronimo on the Packers depth chart and Rudolph and Bennet are comparable. Diggs might be very good, but so are Nelson, Adams, and Cobb so 3>1 and RB really doesn't matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The level to which GB fans overrate the current group of WR's never ceases to amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The Packers top 3 are all significantly better than Thelen. Yes Diggs may very well be the best of the 4, but those 3 are all good players, with Nelson and Adams both having moments of greatness. I don't think I'm overrating them at all to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, spilltray said: The Packers top 3 are all significantly better than Thelen. Yes Diggs may very well be the best of the 4, but those 3 are all good players, with Nelson and Adams both having moments of greatness. I don't think I'm overrating them at all to say that. No, they are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: No, they are not Do you really think Thelen, Treadwell, Diggs and Wright are superior to our WR corps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I think Diggs is better than any WR GB has, and I think Theilan is at least as good as any WR GB has not named Jordy. Why anyone would think Cobb is a special player at this point is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackyAttacky Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 16 hours ago, SassyFascistAlphaGuy said: Teams absolutely stacked with talent on defense with no Elite QB = Minnesota, Cincinnati, Miami, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Baltimore. Yet, we know for a fact that none of those teams have a shot at the Superbowl this year. 0% shot. Why? Because they have no QB that can get them there. An elite QB gives you a shot at the Superbowl every year. Those teams on defense are more talented than GB but I would take GB over each team because of...... Aaron Rodgers. And trust me, so would their coaches. Denver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: The level to which GB fans overrate the current group of WR's never ceases to amaze me. And the level of which you underrate our WR corps is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Every year is different. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer In 1996 we had the No. 1 defense and No. 1 offense and still needed the help of our special teams to win a Super Bowl In 2011 we had the No. 1 offense that absolutely scorched other teams on the way to a 15-1 record, but our defense set records of their own for futility and we got bounced In the early 90's we always ran into the juggernaut that was the Cowboys More often than not - a very nice balance will keep you in the hunt, but you never know what will be enough. Matchups, injuries, and even luck plays a part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Mazrimiv said: I think Diggs is better than any WR GB has, and I think Theilan is at least as good as any WR GB has not named Jordy. Why anyone would think Cobb is a special player at this point is beyond me. Diggs has an athletic advantage on Jordy due to age, that's really all I'll give him. The insane chemistry Rodgers and Nelson have would make me not even consider swapping Jordy with Diggs. Adams has elite route running capabilities. His first three steps are on par with the true elites of the game. If anything he'd be putting up bigger numbers in a different offense where Rodgers isn't looking to Nelson/Cobb all the time. He's on par with Thielen, they are both in the top 20-25 WRs in the game. Cobb is far better than anything the Vikes have beyond those two. He's a great slot when healthy. That's been the issue for him. Cook is obviously better than anything we have but our OL is far superior to theirs. They'll come up against the cap here soon with guys like Barr, Diggs, Kendricks and Hunter left to pay and run into the same issues we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 5 hours ago, cannondale said: Every year is different. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer In 1996 we had the No. 1 defense and No. 1 offense and still needed the help of our special teams to win a Super Bowl In 2011 we had the No. 1 offense that absolutely scorched other teams on the way to a 15-1 record, but our defense set records of their own for futility and we got bounced In the early 90's we always ran into the juggernaut that was the Cowboys More often than not - a very nice balance will keep you in the hunt, but you never know what will be enough. Matchups, injuries, and even luck plays a part I'm a huge proponent of this being far more important than 99% of people think. You go through the last dozen or so Superbowl winners and you can point to ONE specific play that makes the difference between them being the champions and also rans in probably 75% of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, wgbeethree said: I'm a huge proponent of this being far more important than 99% of people think. You go through the last dozen or so Superbowl winners and you can point to ONE specific play that makes the difference between them being the champions and also rans in probably 75% of them. Not to mention the injury luck. The teams left at the end of the season are usually on the healthier end of the spectrum that given year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Diggs has an athletic advantage on Jordy due to age, that's really all I'll give him. The insane chemistry Rodgers and Nelson have would make me not even consider swapping Jordy with Diggs. Adams has elite route running capabilities. His first three steps are on par with the true elites of the game. If anything he'd be putting up bigger numbers in a different offense where Rodgers isn't looking to Nelson/Cobb all the time. He's on par with Thielen, they are both in the top 20-25 WRs in the game. Cobb is far better than anything the Vikes have beyond those two. He's a great slot when healthy. That's been the issue for him. Cook is obviously better than anything we have but our OL is far superior to theirs. They'll come up against the cap here soon with guys like Barr, Diggs, Kendricks and Hunter left to pay and run into the same issues we did. The Vikes probably just lost Cook for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, wgbeethree said: I'm a huge proponent of this being far more important than 99% of people think. You go through the last dozen or so Superbowl winners and you can point to ONE specific play that makes the difference between them being the champions and also rans in probably 75% of them. like our's in 2010. Wouldn't have happened without that absurd Desean Jackson punt return TD. Kinda crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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