sammymvpknight Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, scar988 said: I disagree there. Cooks is a do-it-all kind of guy in the mold of a destitute man's Antonio Brown. Can align slot or outside Fuller can go deep and intermediate on the outside, but has trouble with screen-type routes and shorter ins and outs. strictly outside Stills is a short slant specialist who can kill it on a deep route too. Can play slot or outside. Cobb has possession receiver qualities in the short and intermediate range at this point in their careers. Can play slot or outside Coutee is a solid all-around slot guy, but nothing special. Strictly slot. The thing with the Texans is that while they may not have 1 - 1000 yard guy this year, they might have 2 900 yard guys and a 700 yard guy. I’m a Saints fan...I’m pretty familiar with Cooks and Stills. Cook can play slot but he’s a walking head injury who has a tendency to duck when he catches the ball over the middle of the field. If he is used in that capacity he’ll have a short lived season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 8:00 AM, Tetsujin said: 1. KC 2. TB 3. DAL 4. NO 5. CLE 6. ATL 7. AZ 8. CIN 9. SEA 10. DEN Not many deep WR groups right now. You can easily rearrange a lot of the 3-10 group Can't really argue with much here, I'd have SEA above Cinci but that's about it. I'd also put Buffalo above Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, ET80 said: Both play to that speed, too - it's not just track speed, you see it play out when they're on the field. I disagree with Fuller - in a fully healthy year, he's a low end #1. He could do what someone like Juju Smith-Schuster could do; His route tree has evolved and he's running really strong routes inside and outside the hashes, his transitions in and out of his cuts are really sharp. He doesn't round off routes anymore, he's very deliberate in his cuts and his acceleration out of his cuts is really impressive now. He's also really improved on catching the ball, which was the biggest knock on him out of ND (and on display when guys like Osweiler or Savage was starting). Watson throws a very catchable ball, and Fuller finds a set of hands nobody knew he had. If he could stay healthy, I think this would be more noticable - but those soft tissue issues crush his perception. He spent his off-season with a chiropractor who realigned him and got his posture reset (he said his spine was too "upright" which impacted his lower body mechanics, apparently). Will it help? If it does and he plays a full 16+ games, everyone should see what I'm saying. I'm shocked NFL players don't all go to chiropracters and massage therapists on a regular basis. I would if I was in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/6/2020 at 7:50 AM, AkronsWitness said: Yeah, hes good, but we are talking entire units here. And in no way shape or form having John Brown and Cole Beasley as your #2 and #3 WR qualify you for a top 5 unit in the league. If you think that the majority of the people in this thread are putting up rankings much past projected starters, or for that matter that (and I expect there's some overlap between these two groups) most folks are really evaluating WR3's and WR4's much beyond past rookie/prospect hype, you're giving people way too much credit. I'm not saying that I agree with Buffalo being labeled a Top 5 unit, but Brown and Beasley have actually tangibly produced in the current system they're in with the current QB they're slated to receive passes from this season. We really need to stop overvaluing potential and undervaluing demonstrated production when we're trying to tier and rank players/units. Of course, I'm also willing to bet that despite the OP and the thread title reading "WR corps (the proper term to be used here, unless we're actually talking about building blocks within a WR room)," a number of folks have lumped TE's and pass-catching backs in if it suits the purpose of propping up the team they're a fan of - or in some cases, largely due to fantasy, people tend to do this subconsciously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Kind of a rough copy of what I would look for when ranking units. I have the top 3 weighted higher in a weighted average than the bottom 2 in a corps. Good overall corps and good overall receivers will bump teams higher. Here's how I would rank them: Guide for grades: 0.5 - top 10 WR in the NFL 1.0 - Solid #1 WR 1.25 - Low #1 WR 1.75 - High #2 WR/verge of jumping to low 1 2 - Solid #2 WR 2.25 - Low #2 WR 2.75 - High #3 WR 3 - Solid #3 WR 3.25 - Low #3 WR/High drafted rookies 4 - #4 guy/Low drafted rookies 5 - #5 guy/Undrafted rookies Obviously, some teams will rank higher and lower depending on how their rookies and everything else pans out. But this is where I would rank them right now. Edited September 2, 2020 by scar988 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Rams been getting a ton of disrespect all off season and I see that continues. Definitely have a top 10 WR group, and they are definitely better than Seattle's How many teams had two WRs with 90 catches for 1100 yards? And most people think Goff is below average now, so it's not like the QB was making them better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Emmanuel Sanders averaged 760 yards and 3.7 TDs the last 3 seasons. He's 33 so hes not growing into improvement. He had 940 receiving yards last year... in 20 games played. (17 regular and 3 playoff games) He was 53rd in yards per game last season. 20th in 2018 54th in 2017 Michael Thomas is awesome ... and there are also other guys playing WR. Sanders will likely fight with Curtis Samuel for 7th best WR in the NFC South. If you want to add Kamara and Cook and say 'passing game' then sure, they could be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, FrantikRam said: Rams been getting a ton of disrespect all off season and I see that continues. Definitely have a top 10 WR group, and they are definitely better than Seattle's How many teams had two WRs with 90 catches for 1100 yards? And most people think Goff is below average now, so it's not like the QB was making them better Woods and Cupp are both excellent WRs. They were also 9th and 14th in targets last year. Goff is not a top 5 QB but he not 'below average' either. Hes thrown for 9326 yards and 54 TDs the last 2 seasons. Saints QBs are around 8600 yards and 69 TDs in that period. The Lions are around 8000 and 50. The Eagles are around 8600 and 56 Brady was at 8400 and 53 Dak was at 8800 and 52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazgul Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, SkippyX said: Woods and Cupp are both excellent WRs. They were also 9th and 14th in targets last year. Goff is not a top 5 QB but he not 'below average' either. Hes thrown for 9326 yards and 54 TDs the last 2 seasons. Saints QBs are around 8600 yards and 69 TDs in that period. The Lions are around 8000 and 50. The Eagles are around 8600 and 56 Brady was at 8400 and 53 Dak was at 8800 and 52 The Lions 2019 QBs were Jeff Driskel and David Blough. Cut us some slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nazgul said: The Lions 2019 QBs were Jeff Driskel and David Blough. Cut us some slack. I used 5 additional teams for comparison. If I was just going for top teams I would not have picked Philly, New England, or Detroit as around the average and New Orleans as a single top team. Tampa, KC, Atlanta, etc. were the top teams as well. It was Stafford for 23+ of the 32 games. The Lions are a valid data point. So the Lions probably come out around that average or just below average. If I was going for bad passing volume teams I would have gone for the Jets, Cardinals, DC, and Bills. You could have added your own analysis, or asked about my sample selection... or just randomly cried 😀 Edited September 3, 2020 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 10:38 AM, Johnny Nix said: AJ Green Tyler Boyd Tee Higgins John Ross Auden Tate I don't see how thats not a top 10 unit on most peoples lists, let alone top 5... The top two are good, but the others are a lot of "what-ifs"/high ceilings. They could be there, but it's not something I feel can be counted on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazgul Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, SkippyX said: I used 5 additional teams for comparison. If I was just going for top teams I would not have picked Philly, New England, or Detroit as around the average and New Orleans as a single top team. Tampa, KC, Atlanta, etc. were the top teams as well. It was Stafford for 23+ of the 32 games. The Lions are a valid data point. So the Lions probably come out around that average or just below average. If I was going for bad passing volume teams I would have gone for the Jets, Cardinals, DC, and Bills. You could have added your own analysis, or asked about my sample selection... or just randomly cried 😀 I don't care that much about the data. I did care that we were throwing out David Blough every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Nazgul said: I don't care that much about the data. I did care that we were throwing out David Blough every week. /agree it was ugly Add to that a truly horrific pass defense after trading away Diggs and that was not a pretty last couple of months in Detroit. They made Trubisky look like Dan Marino... twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 15 hours ago, SkippyX said: Emmanuel Sanders averaged 760 yards and 3.7 TDs the last 3 seasons. He's 33 so hes not growing into improvement. He had 940 receiving yards last year... in 20 games played. (17 regular and 3 playoff games) He was 53rd in yards per game last season. 20th in 2018 54th in 2017 Michael Thomas is awesome ... and there are also other guys playing WR. Sanders will likely fight with Curtis Samuel for 7th best WR in the NFC South. If you want to add Kamara and Cook and say 'passing game' then sure, they could be higher. I think Sanders gets a bad wrap. His QB's last year were Garoppolo with no camp chemistry and Drew Lock who is meh. 15 hours ago, SkippyX said: Woods and Cupp are both excellent WRs. They were also 9th and 14th in targets last year. Goff is not a top 5 QB but he not 'below average' either. Hes thrown for 9326 yards and 54 TDs the last 2 seasons. Saints QBs are around 8600 yards and 69 TDs in that period. The Lions are around 8000 and 50. The Eagles are around 8600 and 56 Brady was at 8400 and 53 Dak was at 8800 and 52 Woods and Cupp are very Excellent #2 guys. What makes that offense tick is Sean McVay knows how to scheme guys open. It's why SF does a good job with similar talent and Shanahan. IF we're being 100% honest, adding TEs and RBs to the groups would make a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 9:38 AM, Johnny Nix said: AJ Green Tyler Boyd Tee Higgins John Ross Auden Tate I don't see how thats not a top 10 unit on most peoples lists, let alone top 5... Cinci is going to be sneaky good this year. I don't think they're SB contenders or anything, but they're on the right track for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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