tyler735 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) A little side by side comparison of Kamara and Henry this season. Yards per game: Kamara- 113 yards per game (Including post season game 113 yards per game) Henry- 133 yards per game (Including post season game 129 yards per game) Touchdowns: Kamara- 21 touchdowns (22 touchdowns including post season game) 1.4 touchdowns per game regular season. 1.4 touchdowns per game including post season Henry- 17 touchdowns (17 touchdowns including post season game) 1.1 touchdowns per game regular season. 1.0 touchdowns per game including post season Total Touches: Kamara- 270 total touches (295 touches including postseason game) Henry- 397 total touches (418 total touches including post season game) Touches per game: Kamara- 18 touches per game (18 touches per game including post season) Henry- 25 touches per game (25 touches per game including post season) Henry averages about 15 to 20 more yards per game on 7 more touches per game this season. Total Broken Tackles: Kamara- 19 broken tackles rushing, 16 broken tackles receiving, 35 total broken tackles Henry- 34 broken tackles rushing, 1 broken tackle receiving, 35 total broken tackles Broken Tackle Efficiency: Kamara- 9.8 rush attempts per broken tackle. 5.2 receptions per broken tackle Henry- 11.1 attempts per broken tackle. 19.0 receptions per broken tackle *Only have regular season data for broken tackles stats on Pro Football Reference* Henry has a slight advantage in rushing efficiency stats such as YPC, average yards after contact Kamara has huge advantage in just about any receiving metric. For me this seems close enough in many key areas that arguments can be made for either. Edited January 13, 2021 by tyler735 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, evilflamingo said: Again, perfectly valid points. I totally respect you and everyone else who has Henry at #1, I just oppose the notion that it's some irrefutable fact. And I can walk back the "irrefutable fact" portion. 150+ pages of this discussion has me wonky, admittedly. I respect pretty much everyone I've debated in this thread, so it's understandable that I could get passionate - it's like a good sparring session after a while. 55 minutes ago, evilflamingo said: Pass protection is certainly important as well. I'm not knowledgeable enough to judge but agree that it should be taken into account, although I wouldn't put it on the same level as receiving ability. We might have to sidebar this into its own distinct conversation one day. I actually enjoy this conversation as a whole, so willing to examine it further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Gonna need you to stop being insufferable ET 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilflamingo Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, ET80 said: We might have to sidebar this into its own distinct conversation one day. I actually enjoy this conversation as a whole, so willing to examine it further. Gladly. Ditto, you’re one of the good ones. Usually 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Breesus mode said: Gonna need you to stop being insufferable ET 2 minutes ago, evilflamingo said: ... you’re one of the good ones. Usually 😉 Conflicting messages are conflicting. I need a safe space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamedayGuru Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 7:58 AM, ET80 said: Ok. If that's the case - Henry > Kamara by every reasonable metric people look at when evaluating a RB. GG. Once again, not true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, GamedayGuru said: Once again, not true Feel free to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) edit Edited January 18, 2021 by dtait93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) On 1/16/2021 at 5:18 PM, GamedayGuru said: Once again, not true I'll jump in here to provide a fresh set of eyes on this conversation. What, aside from route running/catching, does Kamara do better than Henry? Surely it's not statistical because Henry beats Kamara at basically every statistic metric there is, it has to be a trait that Kamara has. Edited January 18, 2021 by AFlaccoSeagulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I'll jump in here to provide a fresh set of eyes on this conversation. What, aside from route running/catching, does Kamara do better than Henry? Surely it's not statistical because Henry beats Kamara at basically every statistic metric there is, it has to be a trait that Kamara has. I’ll turn that around...what does Henry do better than Kamara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I’ll turn that around...what does Henry do better than Kamara? Runs the ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I’ll turn that around...what does Henry do better than Kamara? Runs, blocks, breaks tackles, puts up better stats? You're asking us what does a 2K yards guy do better than Alvin Kamara...? Edited January 18, 2021 by AFlaccoSeagulls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Runs, blocks, breaks tackles, puts up better stats? You're asking us what does a 2K yards guy do better than Alvin Kamara...? Runs is pretty general and he doesn’t do everything at running better than Kamara. Stats regarding bulk? And only in the rushing game? He blocks better based on what exactly...by him being bigger? That’s a lazy assumption. Edited January 18, 2021 by sammymvpknight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: Runs is pretty general and he doesn’t do everything at running better than Kamara. Stats regarding bulk? And only in the rushing game? He blocks better based on what exactly...by him being bigger? That’s a lazy assumption. Runs as in vision, breaking tackles, producing yards, producing touchdowns? Come on, now. Stats regarding whatever rushing stat you'd like to bring up, pretty much. So now can you answer my question? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Where the rubber seems to meet the road is if Kamara's receiving ability after accounting for his ground game outweighs Henry's ability on the ground. So a question I have is this: Is the QB more important to Kamara's production through the air? Or is the o-line more important to Henry's production on the ground? Because what's even more impressive about Henry's 2k season is the fact that he did it with a 3rd string LT and career back up at RT. And in all honesty, he probably could have broken the all-time rushing record if Lewan never went down and we didn't lose Conklin to FA. But as the saying goes...if if's and but's were beers and nuts we could all have a party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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