incognito_man Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, pollino14 said: I've become more and more impressed by Martinez every week. Going into the year I thought it was going to be Jake Ryan who took the next step( was a big fan of his in college) but he's been pretty invisible. I agree. Martinez is balling. (I thought you went to bed?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, incognito_man said: it was a lucky bounce that dallas recovered that fumble at half too. and you ignore that. seems like you just want to count everything remotely possible against the defense. No just that they didn't play a good game today at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFP7 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The first half was pretty brutal for the defense, especially on 3rd and long. That 3rd and 14 on the opening drive got Dallas going. Second half was a much different story though, with the one exception being the 8 minute drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I agree. Martinez is balling. (I thought you went to bed?) Greg Bird woke me up!! 1-0 Yanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, pollino14 said: I've become more and more impressed by Martinez every week. Going into the year I thought it was going to be Jake Ryan who took the next step( was a big fan of his in college) but he's been pretty invisible. I thought so too. Jake Ryan I thought was really good last year before he got hurt but Martinez has been way better so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Im going to be interested to watch the defensive film. We've always been a bend but dont break team that is OK to give up the short stuff but tries to limit points and big plays. Well Dallas came out with the idea that 4+4+4 is a first down and went a couple yards and a cloud of dust down the field on us all day. So many 3rd and shorts we just didnt win, and if we did they went for it on 4th and got it. Zeke still got his but I feel we bottled him up much better, no back breaking runs. Hopefully King isn't hurt too bad, I thought Randall was excellent, Hawkins was good. HHCD was dreadful and has been every week we haven't faced Mike Glennon, legit concerned he isn't a long term fixture. Pass rush was anywhere from bad to barely adequate, but that OL is unreal. Overall, they did just enough, I think their true level lies somewhere between what we saw the last 6 quarters of the Cin/Chi games and what we saw in the ATL/Dallas games. Somewhere between 12 and 18 is where they'll end up. Offensively, what do we do with Ty? I think it's time to use our backs like NE. I think Ty can be a true 3rd down back, Jones handles most of the carries and Williams (who I think will be leagues better with Bahk back and Taylor at LG) spells them on early down stuff. Davante needs an extension, not Linsley (another pick from that draft class who's regressed in a contract year) just yet. Nice to see us hit Bennett vertically, just bad that Mac and Aaron haven't used him in the redzone though. Hope Jordy is OK. Aaron is the GOAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stevein2012 said: No just that they didn't play a good game today at all Agreed. They'd played rather average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Agreed. They'd played rather average. I'd call it average if they got our offense a couple more possessions but those long *** drives kept the game closer than it should have been with how badly our offense was destroying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Im going to be interested to watch the defensive film. We've always been a bend but dont break team that is OK to give up the short stuff but tries to limit points and big plays. Well Dallas came out with the idea that 4+4+4 is a first down and went a couple yards and a cloud of dust down the field on us all day. So many 3rd and shorts we just didnt win, and if we did they went for it on 4th and got it. Zeke still got his but I feel we bottled him up much better, no back breaking runs. Hopefully King isn't hurt too bad, I thought Randall was excellent, Hawkins was good. HHCD was dreadful and has been every week we haven't faced Mike Glennon, legit concerned he isn't a long term fixture. Pass rush was anywhere from bad to barely adequate, but that OL is unreal. Overall, they did just enough, I think their true level lies somewhere between what we saw the last 6 quarters of the Cin/Chi games and what we saw in the ATL/Dallas games. Somewhere between 12 and 18 is where they'll end up. Offensively, what do we do with Ty? I think it's time to use our backs like NE. I think Ty can be a true 3rd down back, Jones handles most of the carries and Williams (who I think will be leagues better with Bahk back and Taylor at LG) spells them on early down stuff. Davante needs an extension, not Linsley (another pick from that draft class who's regressed in a contract year) just yet. Nice to see us hit Bennett vertically, just bad that Mac and Aaron haven't used him in the redzone though. Hope Jordy is OK. Aaron is the GOAT. King looked like a mild concussion from my untrained eye. Who knows though, heads are freaky. Look at Davante... Agreed on HHCD, let's get JJ up to speed asap. Have HHCD next year on the option to see what we have there. Hopefully JJ (and/or Brice) makes a jump to make him less of a priority for an extension unless he REALLY earns it. If our defense is between the CHI/CIN version (top 5) and today's (average) they are a 7-10 defense, which I feel is about right for this squad. I'm thrilled we have 2 legit options at RB, keeps them both fresh heading into January ideally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevein2012 said: I'd call it average if they got our offense a couple more possessions but those long *** drives kept the game closer than it should have been with how badly our offense was destroying them. That's what Dallas can do to a defense that is play average though. They are a top 3 team (I just made that up, but I bet it close) at sustaining drives due to that line and Elliott. I would have loved to have gotten off the field more frequently on 3rd and 4th. Game of inches, a couple of places that we did or should have, or came damn close (the first TD botched call, the 4th down EE extension, etc) and it goes from an average performance to a plus performance. The defense isn't as bad as you think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The other guys get paid too. Credit where credit it due. Prescott had some really great plays today especially on third downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Prescott is like a not completely hate-able Russell Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, DavidatMIZZOU said: Prescott is like a not completely hate-able Russell Wilson. is he semi-hateable? I don't know much about him, but listening to him talk has me coming away liking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeFarva Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Some good analysis on the second (I think) PAT miss from Crosby. *ADULT LANGUAGE WARNING* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, incognito_man said: is he semi-hateable? I don't know much about him, but listening to him talk has me coming away liking him. I don't hate him at all. I was saying he plays similar to Russell Wilson, but I don't totally hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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