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9 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Its a different way to analyze a player.  If I am drafting or playing against Davion Mitchell, I know not to count on him being a 3pt threat most of the time.  If he hits a couple early then you adjust for his 1 out of 20 games.  For Green we have an extremely small sample size, so yes its hard to remove games but is still valuable to review it multiple ways.  He had three games in which he went 0-6, 0-7, and 0-7 and two games in which he went 5-6 and 6-8.  That takes out a third of his season, but also shows you more of what to expect on a regular basis out of the gate. Without those games, he was a 39% shooter in the other 10 games and relatively consistent around that number.  So in the league you expect him to most nights provide you with 40% shooting from three but will obviously have some better and worse games.  Its a small sample size so looking at a per game basis is helpful and sheds light to potential if you can reduce those 0 for nights. 

Yes, and that's a correct way to look at statistical normalization, removing the top end and bottom.  The examples above were only removing their one side, which is what I laughed at.

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3 hours ago, THE DUKE said:

Outliers aren't 10-30% of a season.  Outliers would be 1-2 away from the norm.  Sure you remove those 7 best games, then if you want to normalize, you should also take out the worst shooting games as well.  It's cherry picking otherwise.

Are outliers a 7% stretch over the course of a 4 year career, that all just so happened to take place within a 35 or so day period? And doesn't the fact that he struggled from the FT during his entire career also raise questions about his 3P shooting? If you remove his 7 best 3P shooting games and his 7 worst 3P shooting games, he made 0.9 3's per game at 35% clip over the course of his other 80.

Green and Mitchell's cases are completely different because Green has a 15 game sample size, 4 games he shot the ball poorly, the other 11 he didn't. Mitchell has a 94 game sample size, 7 games, which are all in a relatively short span he shot the ball well, the other 87 he didn't.

Even if you remove Green's 4 terrible shooting games and his 4 best shooting games he still hit 2 3's at a 38% clip over the other 7. From NBA distance, as the youngest player on the court, against NBA role players/fringe roster players. Mitchell's best shooting performances came when he was 2-3 years older than most of his opponents, from NCAA range, against Big 12 schools. 

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With Mitchell going to be a 24 year old rookie it's also important to note that in the last 20 drafts there have only been 9 players his age drafted in the lottery. Only 1 of those players has developed into a solid starter (Buddy Hield) and only 1 of those players has developed into a solid role player (Cam Johnson). 

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39 minutes ago, seminoles1 said:

Is #23 and #24 too much for #17?

I'd like Christopher, but hopefully after trading down a little.

Probably unless Houston just absolutely loves someone on the board at #17. Which I could see if someone like Ziaire Williams is still on the board. 

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FWIW a Jazz insider that's supposedly plugged into the front office has hinted a bunch that he thinks we're a lock to take Roko Prkacin at #30 if he's on the board. An 18 year old 6'9" 210 (7'0" wingspan) combo forward from Croatia. 

 

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NYRaider Big Board V 1.0 (Post Combine)

1. Jalen Green | SG | G-League

2. Cade Cunningham | GF | Oklahoma State

3. Jonathan Kuminga | F | G-League

4. Evan Mobley | FC | USC

5. Keon Johnson | GF | Tennessee

6. Scottie Barnes | F | Florida State

7. Jalen Suggs | PG | Gonzaga 

8. Kai Jones | FC | Texas

9. Alperen Sengun | F | Turkey

10. Moses Moody | GF | Arkansas

11. Josh Giddy | GF | Australia 

12. Ziarie Williams | GF | Stanford

13. James Bouknight | SG | UConn

14. Davion Mitchell | PG | Baylor

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Guys that I'm starting to like more: Jalen Green, Keon Johnson, Kai Jones, Jonathan Kuminga, Scottie Barnes

Guys who my opinion has remained relatively the same: Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Moses Moody

Guys who I'm starting not to love: Josh Giddy, Jalen Suggs, Davion Mitchell 

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Joe Wieskamp announced that he's hiring an agent and staying in the draft. 

6'7" 215 with a 6'11" wingspan and a 42" vertical. Shot the 3 at a 46% clip on 4.6 attempts per game last year at Iowa. He also averaged 1.46 PPP on catch and shoot opportunities which was 96th percentile in the NCAA last year and finished 60% of his attempts at the rim. During the NBA Combine's final scrimmage he scored 26 points (6/7 from 3), had 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks. 

Not sure if I'd take him in the first round but would 100% take a flier on him early in the second.  

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10 hours ago, NYRaider said:

NYRaider Big Board V 1.0 (Post Combine)

1. Jalen Green | SG | G-League

2. Cade Cunningham | GF | Oklahoma State

3. Jonathan Kuminga | F | G-League

4. Evan Mobley | FC | USC

5. Keon Johnson | GF | Tennessee

6. Scottie Barnes | F | Florida State

7. Jalen Suggs | PG | Gonzaga 

8. Kai Jones | FC | Texas

9. Alperen Sengun | F | Turkey

10. Moses Moody | GF | Arkansas

11. Josh Giddy | GF | Australia 

12. Ziarie Williams | GF | Stanford

13. James Bouknight | SG | UConn

14. Davion Mitchell | PG | Baylor

Is there any chance Green actually goes before Cunningham or Kuminga before Mobley?

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12 minutes ago, DirtyDez said:

Is there any chance Green actually goes before Cunningham or Kuminga before Mobley?

Unlikely. But Troy Weaver (Pistons GM) was instrumental in the Thunder taking Russell Westbrook #4 overall when most had him outside of the top 10 and it was considered a massive reach at that point. That worked out pretty well for them and I think he understands the value/potential of having a freak athletic wing that can get buckets. There have also been a few reports that the Pistons really like Green as a prospect. So the only way I could see it happening would be if we saw a similar situation to the Luka/Trae swap. Where Detroit takes Cunningham then trades him to Houston for Green and other draft assets. 

We've seen other situations like this happen in the past, most recently with the Celtics trading back from #1 to #3 so the 76ers could take Fultz and the Celtics got their guy in Tatum. 

I think Mobley is likely a lock to go top 3 at this point. But Cleveland has reportedly been monitoring Kuminga closely in the pre-draft process and he fits better with their current core. 

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