pwny Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, .Buzz said: I personally refuse to believe any team, if they had 1st overall, would really draft someone not named Trevor. They'd probably be more likely to take a trade with the Jets to drop to 2 and then take Wilson there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, pwny said: They'd probably be more likely to take a trade with the Jets to drop to 2 and then take Wilson there. NFL front offices are dumb. Like really dumb sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyJag Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, pwny said: I mean I fully believe this. There was a team that we know for a fact had Trubisky over both Mahomes and Watson, and the team was so scared that another team viewed Trubisky over them that they traded up to prevent someone else from jumping them. tbf Trubisky was the consensus top QB in the class..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Jaguarfan said: tbf Trubisky was the consensus top QB in the class..... Yeah, I mean I wasn't a Trubs fan but that draft Watson (for some reason, I know some worried about his velocity) and Mahomes weren't really hyped up. Neither were seen as elite QB prospects. Lawrence gets lauded for his mental makeup and everyone that watched him says the last comparable prospect was 9 years ago. I just don't see it as the same. Still, I guess it could happen. But whatever team(s) feel that was are dumb as I said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jaguarfan said: tbf Trubisky was the consensus top QB in the class..... The only real argument for him was "he's the QB with the skillset closest to a prototypical look and playstyle; like that of guys like Brady and Matt Ryan". Now, the argument for Wilson is "he's the most unconventional with the size and playstyle of Mahomes and Josh Allen." The same stupidity then was the same stupidity now. It's just focused on the NFL's latest trend instead of the trend of the 2016 season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-trevor-lawrence-qb-3-thats-how-one-former-nfl-coach-grades-him-205523234.html …. June Jones thinks Mac Jones is the top QB in this class. Just…. Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Ship is exactly right here. Also, if Herbert ends up being the better QB that wouldn't surprise me. That guy is one of the future faces himself as well. Top 3-5 QB in the next few years once Rodgers hangs it up imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 1:59 PM, pwny said: The only real argument for him was "he's the QB with the skillset closest to a prototypical look and playstyle; like that of guys like Brady and Matt Ryan". Now, the argument for Wilson is "he's the most unconventional with the size and playstyle of Mahomes and Josh Allen." The same stupidity then was the same stupidity now. It's just focused on the NFL's latest trend instead of the trend of the 2016 season. Yeah. This is exactly what that sounds like. It's chasing a "prototype" in form, according to what's trendy, rather than the best in "function". There's really nothing even remotely resembling a guarantee that Wilson doesn't ultimately end up the better NFL quarterback than Lawrence. But as prospects, you'd have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to really justify that as being the likelihood rather than simply a marginal possibility. This isn't the Baker/Darnold/Allen/Rosen draft where you could at least conceivably justify any of the guys as the "top QB prospect" at the time. Trevor Lawrence is a different caliber of prospect than any of those guys...far cleaner all around. Wilson imo, is more in that tier with those guys as a prospect, where there's obvious and exciting upside (and there's enough unique ability there to suggest he could theoretically be the better QB in the end), but it's far from a blue chip, slam dunk sort of deal absent of any questionmarks or flags and caveats to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Tugboat said: There's really nothing even remotely resembling a guarantee that Wilson doesn't ultimately end up the better NFL quarterback than Lawrence. Yeah, this is a point I’ve mentioned elsewhere. Like Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Russell Wilson, but Russ has had the better career. It’s possible that happens this time as well. But man, I’ll take the guy guaranteed to be top 12 in the league basically from day one and has top 5 all time potential over anyone else literally always, even if the alternative has the potential to reach a higher peak than the other guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, pwny said: Yeah, this is a point I’ve mentioned elsewhere. Like Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Russell Wilson, but Russ has had the better career. It’s possible that happens this time as well. But man, I’ll take the guy guaranteed to be top 12 in the league basically from day one and has top 5 all time potential over anyone else literally always, even if the alternative has the potential to reach a higher peak than the other guy. Exactly. That’s the perfect example to illustrate the situation, and the hypothetical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyJag Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 5 hours ago, pwny said: Yeah, this is a point I’ve mentioned elsewhere. Like Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Russell Wilson, but Russ has had the better career. It’s possible that happens this time as well. But man, I’ll take the guy guaranteed to be top 12 in the league basically from day one and has top 5 all time potential over anyone else literally always, even if the alternative has the potential to reach a higher peak than the other guy. Agreed, though I'll note that I do think Trevor also has the highest ceiling of any QB in the class soooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jaguarfan said: Agreed, though I'll note that I do think Trevor also has the highest ceiling of any QB in the class soooo Hard agree. But Luck’s ceiling was above Wilson’s too. Russ’s ceiling is basically the player he is, while Luck’s was a more mobile version of Peyton. The same could happen here, where Lawrence doesn’t meet his ceiling and other player meets their ceiling. And maybe there’s some people out there that think they can make Wilson reach his ceiling and that Lawrence’s ceiling is going to be harder to reach for whatever reason. Regardless, if you’re taking a QB, you take the sure thing with an astronomical ceiling and don’t play stupid games. Because you could just as easily end up with Ryan Leaf or RGIII instead of Russell Wilson or Dan Marino. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I strongly dislike Matt Miller and ESPN man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, .Buzz said: I strongly dislike Matt Miller and ESPN man. How come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, pwny said: How come? He doesn't stick to what he says. Went on ESPN today with Ryan Clark and changed his tune completely on things. He does it with draft prospects all the time. I'm just not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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