Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) In this thread we are going to discuss the idea that Dalton leads us to a playoff win and is the Franchise QB. I would assume that he would resign for no less than ~$20m/yr - - but for this exercise we are going to assume he comes back for ~$5m/yr. Which means we free up ~$35m/yr for free agents compared to the cost of Dak. @The_Slamman and @DaBoys lead the conversation. How do we become a superbowl team with a probowl caliber Andy Dalton who just came off a playoff winning season? Edited December 31, 2020 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 "Make Peece"....ur so cute Matts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said: ur so cute Matts Thats what the ladies say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtnldave Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 ✌ This is either the Peace sign or Bunny ears. Either way, enjoy it. Happy New Year.🎉🍷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Not Slam or DaBoys, but I would probably try to... Sign Leonard Williams to play DT, Justin Simmons to play FS. Extend Michael Gallup and Randy Gregory. Sign a solid 1T. Draft a CB in round 1. Replace Jaylon Smith in Round 2. That’s probably more than what you save at the QB, but I assume we have flexibility to get some stuff done even if we bring Dak back. So I don’t think this would be unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Not Slam or DaBoys, but I would probably try to... Sign Leonard Williams to play DT, Justin Simmons to play FS. Extend Michael Gallup and Randy Gregory. Sign a solid 1T. Draft a CB in round 1. Replace Jaylon Smith in Round 2. That’s probably more than what you save at the QB, but I assume we have flexibility to get some stuff done even if we bring Dak back. So I don’t think this would be unreasonable. Have to assume there is a second #1 in the mix as well since Dak has been traded in this scenario. With that I’m looking for another EDGE or DT, depending on what happens in FA. Otherwise, I like where this is headed defensively. Edited January 1, 2021 by WizardHawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Have to assume there is a second #1 in the mix as well since Dak has been traded in this scenario. With that I’m looking for another EDGE or DT, depending on what happens in FA. Otherwise, I like where this is headed defensively. I didn’t really consider the premise of trading Dak after franchising him. Would definitely give us more flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 List of potential outside our club UFAs I’d be interested in doing homework on: Leonard Williams: $8.2M/ year Patrick Peterson: $11.4M/ year Lavonte David: $13.2M/ year Jaquiski Tartt: $7M/ year Ndamukong Suh: $7.5M/ year Brandon Scherff: $11.1M/ year Matt Judon: $16.3M/ year Ryan Kerrigan: $7.5M/ year Olivier Vernon: $11M/ year Hunter Henry: $9M/ year Melvin Ingram: $11.4M/ year Bud Dupree: $16.6M/ year Justin Simmons: $14.6M/ year Shaquill Barrett: $19.8M/ year Anthony Harris: $15.5M/ year John Ross: $4.2 M/ year Dez Bryant: $1.5M/ year Jonathan Hankins: $2.5M/ year Snacks: $1m/ year Markus Golden: $13.5/ year Sheldon Rankins: $11.3M/ year Mackensie Alexander: $8.4M/ year Haason Reddick: $9.1M/ year Takk Mckinley: $8.4M/ year Dalvin Tomlinson: $9.5M/ year William Jackson: $6.3M/ year Quinton Dunbar: $17.6M/ year Artie Burns: $1M/ year Marcus Maye: $7.5M/ year Desmond King: $6M/ year Jonnu Smith: $8M/ year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 If the premise is we don’t have Daks’ $31.4M counting against us, plus our current cap space of $24M, then we have $55M to play with. Say we use $5M for a rookie pool, and $15M is used up to extend in house FAs like Aldon Smith and Gregory(who should both come at huge discounts), Michael Gallup, and maybe one of our CBs Lewis/Chido. That leaves $35M for outside FAs. Let’s get playmakers on all 3 levels of the defense. We sign Jaquiski Tartt for $7M, Patrick Peterson for $11.4M, Lavonte David for $13.2M, Snacks for $1M, and Jonathan Hankins for $2.4. I know Snacks and Hankins play the same position but it’s best to keep those fat boys on a rotation. Do a few restructures to get some wiggle room. Next, we have Dak on a trade. I assume we could get a 1st round pick and that’s about it. Nobody in the Trevor Lawrence /Justin Fields sweepstakes is going to move on Dak, but a QB needy team outside the sweepstakes might. List of teams that might be interested: Lions at #7 Panthers at #9 Broncos at #10 Vikings at #13 Patriots at #14 Colts at #18 WTF at # 19 Bucs at #26 Steelers at #28 Saints at #29 The earlier picks might be wishful thinking but I could definitely see at team like the Buccaneers trade pick #26 straight up for Dak. For the sake of argument, and because the draft order isn’t finalized, I’ll average those picks. We trade Dak for Round 1 Pick 16! And we won a playoff game with Dalton so I guess our original pick is Round 1 Pick 25. I’d go BPA with pick 16 unless QB3 is on the board. Our FA acquisitions have set us up nicely to do that. At pick 25, maybe Kyle Trask? Trey Lance? BPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) QBs: Andy Dalton / RBs: Zeke / Pollard TE: Jarwin/ Schultz/ Bell WRs: Amari/ Gallup/ CD/ Wilson LT: Tyron Smith LG: Connor Williams C Tyler Biadasz RG: LaEl Collins RT: Zack Martin LE: DLaw/ Aldon Smith 3T: Neville GALLIMORE/ T. Hill 1T: Snacks / Jonathan Hankins RE: Randy Gregory/ Dorance Armstrong/ Annae SAM: Sean Lee/ Jaylon Smith Mike: LVE/ Gifford WILL: Lavonte David/ Joe Thomas CB1: Patrick Peterson CB2: Trevon Diggs CB3: Chido CB4: Anthony Brown S: Jaquiski Tartt/ Thompson S: D.Wilson/ Woods Plus pick 16 and pick 25 in the first round, in great position for BPA, or move up and get a guy like Wilson for QBotF Edited January 1, 2021 by DaBoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas_OutLaw7 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Didn't know where this should go but since we are talking about money for free agents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said: Didn't know where this should go but since we are talking about money for free agents... I’ve said it before, the pro personnel dept. of this team doesn’t have a very good track record. Spending money on tier 3-4 FA hasn’t been kind for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) The amount of money Stephen and Jerry are haggling Dak over on a per year basis is roughly what Daryl Worley and Cameron Erving cost against the cap this year. Makes total sense, where would we be without those two vital contributors? I think you can poke holes in Dak's game and make the case that it just makes more sense for this team to undergo a complete overhaul over the next couple of offseasons. I don't think you can make the case that our front office/ownership is capable of building a contender with or without a QB on a big contract. Edited January 2, 2021 by matt79511 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Slamman Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 To me, it seems FA this year is strongest in the secondary. Several quality safeties, ok CBs, and DEs. We need to see who get cut before March 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiller Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 so far I am totally confused about our cap situation. I used "over the cap" as my basis and it says we have 24 M in cap space for next season. In it self that isn't even close enough to tag Dak a second time. Nor pay him the expected 35 m or 30 m which is what it would be if we give him a contract. I do see us restructuring DLaws contract, he has a hit of 25. Which might do it. I don't see getting Dalton under 12 but it's possible and I wouldn't be surprised if Jones saves the money. I like the idea of Tartt, Peterson and maybe Snacks or his clone. I still think a change in coaching scheme and off season will fix our LB problem if we add in solid draft help round 1 or 2. I also don't see Dlaw Zeke and Coop on the roster for the full length of their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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