Superman(DH23) Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, WindyCity said: It is. Why else would our cap situation be bad? Your default when you do not actually have an argument is to yell agenda and narrative. He has backloaded a ton of deals, he has restructured deals and pushed money into future years, and now we are stuck with little available cap space and a #1 WR we almost cannot afford to tag. New Orleans has been doing this for 10 years, it's where Pace learned the strategy, it's worked. Teams do it all the time. It also enables the team to get rid of bad contracts quickly if they need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: New Orleans has been doing this for 10 years, it's where Pace learned the strategy, it's worked. Teams do it all the time. It also enables the team to get rid of bad contracts quickly if they need to. It works if your GM has job security and will be there to clean up the mess. The Bears can continue to do it if you are willing to let Ryan Pace dump money into future years. But I am under the impression that is not what you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: Eventually it hurts you. It is hurting us this year. Pace needs to do it again this offseason, but in your ill-conceived plan you are not allowing him to, which pretty much kills their 2021 cap situation. He pushed back Trevathan, Long, Fuller, and a few others and it hasn't hurt us. Not to the point that it's crippling. Again those are easy fixes, as I've pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 The Bears will have 40 million in cap space and only 30 players on the roster. If you want to spend in 2021 you are going to have to put a ton of money in 2022, 2023, and 2024. I have not interest in allowing Pace to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, JAF-N72EX said: He pushed back Trevathan, Long, Fuller, and a few others and it hasn't hurt us. Not to the point that it's crippling. Again those are easy fixes, as I've pointed out. They are not. He has also pushed Leno and a ton of Mack money back. The Quinn deal is backloaded to a ridiculous degree. Graham leaves a 3 million dollar turd on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: I just don't see much room for him to move that would cripple the new regime. You're talking about keeping him around so we can go into 2022 with a clean cap situation. He can very easily cut Leno, Massie, Skrine, and Graham and give out several large contracts. Your 2022 cap situation is no longer very clean. If you want evidence of it, look at Robert Quinn. A 6M cap hit this season will turn into several years of 16M cap hits. Backloading deals this offseason could get very out of hand if Pace is trying to keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 The only way the Bears can generate cap space easily is to move money into future years and increase the dead cap hits of players like Mack, Fuller, and Hicks in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, abstract_thought said: You're talking about keeping him around so we can go into 2022 with a clean cap situation. He can very easily cut Leno, Massie, Skrine, and Graham and give out several large contracts. Your 2022 cap situation is no longer very clean. If you want evidence of it, look at Robert Quinn. A 6M cap hit this season will turn into several years of 16M cap hits. Backloading deals this offseason could get very out of hand if Pace is trying to keep his job. Desperate Pace made a ton of awful moves in 2020. Imagine Super Desperate Pace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Without backloading deals and moving money into future years the Bears likely cannot afford to keep Allen Robinson. The math simply does not work unless you move Mack money into future years, extend Fuller, and likely do something with Hicks contracts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, WindyCity said: The only way the Bears can generate cap space easily is to move money into future years and increase the dead cap hits of players like Mack, Fuller, and Hicks in the future. This is a fine strategy and most good teams use it. The problem is that you can't do this with players like Quinn who underperform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: You're talking about keeping him around so we can go into 2022 with a clean cap situation. He can very easily cut Leno, Massie, Skrine, and Graham and give out several large contracts. Your 2022 cap situation is no longer very clean. If you want evidence of it, look at Robert Quinn. A 6M cap hit this season will turn into several years of 16M cap hits. Backloading deals this offseason could get very out of hand if Pace is trying to keep his job. Or he goes out and signs good players that will only help in the future. You see how this "what if" game goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, abstract_thought said: This is a fine strategy and most good teams use it. The problem is that you can't do this with players like Quinn who underperform. There were no signs of Quinn declining when Pace signed him. Most were happy about the signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: Or he goes out and signs good players that will only help in the future. You see how this "what if" game goes? Are you saying Pace should be allowed to dump more money into future years? Because earlier I thought you said he should not be allowed to? Clean slate and all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, JAF-N72EX said: There were no signs of Quinn declining when Pace signed him. Most were happy about the signing. We are excited about most signings, we are fans. It blew up in his face and his contract is horrendous. So he blew the evaluation and doubled down on it with a contract that is guaranteed with huge cap hits for 2 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, WindyCity said: Are you saying Pace should be allowed to dump more money into future years? Because earlier I thought you said he should not be allowed to? Clean slate and all? I never said that. Your putting words in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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