topwop1 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: I don’t think they are going to land a QB that helps immediately save their jobs. They can be super desperate. But desperate isn’t an asset and their assets suck. At the end of the day whoever they land at QB may not be able to save their jobs but they are surely going to try and swing higher than a mid round draft QB such as Kellen Mond... I think we can all agree that much. They will not go into the 2021 season with Foles and a mid round rookie. That's just a recipe for disaster and they are asking to be fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: At the end of the day whoever they land at QB may not be able to save their jobs but they are surely going to try and swing higher than a mid round draft QB such as Kellen Mond... I think we can all agree that much. They will not go into the 2021 season with Foles and a mid round rookie. That's just a recipe for disaster and they are asking to be fired I think they will try. I don’t think they are going to be successful. How many QBs available do you actually think are a significant upgrade? Deshaun Dak Fields Wilson They have no show at any of those guys. Lance Maybe, but he is super and I mean super raw and will still need a trade up. After that we are done with what I would call “significant” upgrades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, dll2000 said: Saggitariutt Jefferspin, Texas A&M D’Glester Hardunkichud, University of Wisconsin Swirvithan L’Goodling-Splatt, Saskatchewan University Quatro Quatro, San Jose State University Ozamataz Buckshank, Stanford University Have stood out for me. As they should have. All excellent player that I truly feel are sleepers in this draft class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) On 1/28/2021 at 6:29 PM, Sugashane said: There's nothing preventing them from doing it unless the franchise has a no trade claus. They franchise him then they own his rights. I'm talking about the wording of the tag in the CBA. It hasn't been tested before, but the tag is SUPPOSED to be done in good faith. That will get tested if Jones tries to sign and tag Prescott. I doubt he will do that, but it'd be cool to see Jerry slapped down by the league. On 1/28/2021 at 7:52 PM, G08 said: I've actually thought about signing Jameis Winston as our QB to compete with Nick Foles and using our draft picks to shore up the WR and OT spots. Maybe draft a Kellen Mond in round 4 if he drops there. On 1/28/2021 at 7:53 PM, G08 said: Would you trade #20 and #52, for #14 (Mac Jones) and #90? Absolutely. Why not? On 1/29/2021 at 12:38 PM, GOGRIESE said: Where was that reported? I did a quick dig, and couldn't find it. The word was out that he wanted to play for Robert Saleh. On 1/29/2021 at 3:15 PM, G08 said: Minshew makes sense... DeFilippo has worked with him and Nagy liked him in that draft class. I like Minshew. Really, what is there not to like about Minshew? On 1/29/2021 at 4:57 PM, topwop1 said: Minshew is not some savior A lower rated prospect who ended up being a sixth round pick for a highly dysfunctional franchise...then actually produced when given a chance? This, after two seasons? He can't be called a savior, for sure, but I don't think anybody knows what he can become in the future. On 1/29/2021 at 9:03 PM, WindyCity said: Just a warning, If our camp battle is Foles vs Jimmy G I am going to be flame throwing Pace the entire summer. Just a promise...I will join you. 😁 On 1/31/2021 at 6:22 PM, Madmike90 said: Also think given the fact we were in on him and Watson shows we do not want a rookie at that spot. I think they'd rather it be a veteran, for sure. But that doesn't mean that's what we'll get... On 2/1/2021 at 9:26 AM, topwop1 said: I don't get people's fascination with Carr. He is nothing more than a Jimmy G/Kirk Cousins/Jared Goff type of QB. Average... Carr is much better than any of those three. I don't think he's going to be traded, though. On 2/1/2021 at 10:33 AM, dll2000 said: Texans can trade Jets Watson and pick up Darnold, Becton or Q. Williams, 2 and 23 and 2022 one. The Jets would be crazy to make that trade. And they won't. If the Texans demand that, the Jets will either stick with Darnold and trade with another team, or draft Fields or Wilson and trade Darnold for whatever they can get. Edited February 3, 2021 by Heinz D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Reports that teams are hot and heavy after Carr and the Raiders are going to make a run at Deshaun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Multiple @NFL sources indicate to me that Derek Carr is a hot commodity. And it is expected that multiple teams will pursue him via trade That could lead to the @Raiders pursuing Deshaun Watson in a blockbuster trade. My story: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, WindyCity said: I think they will try. I don’t think they are going to be successful. How many QBs available do you actually think are a significant upgrade? Deshaun Dak Fields Wilson They have no show at any of those guys. Lance Maybe, but he is super and I mean super raw and will still need a trade up. After that we are done with what I would call “significant” upgrades. I'm not saying the QB they end up acquiring will without a doubt be successful I'm saying that they will bring in some one with a little more clout than a mid round rookie like Mond. Who that QB will be is anyone's guess ...but they are desperate and will make a move to get someone rated higher at the very least...that's if they go the rookie route.. Deshaun and Dak are extreme longshots but I disagree they have no shot at any of the rookies you mentioned...trade ups just as big as what the Bears would need to make in order to acquire one of those guys (Fields or Wilson) happen almost every other draft. It most recently happened when Rams and Eagles both moved up for Goff and Wentz in 2016 and also when Chiefs and Texans moved up for Mahomes and Watson in 2017 so don't say it can't be done if the right offer is made and a team is willing to move down. As for Lance I a have a feeling people will be surprised by where he goes and I think Bears will probably be able to take him at their pick if they stay put and really want him. For one he didn't play at all in 2020 besides 1 game in which he wasn't impressive and he's only a 1 year starter that comes from a div II school. He carries a lot of risk and for that reason I think he's going to fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Trades from 20 into the top 5 do not happen... like ever. We really have no precedent for a team moving up that far. Most teams in the top 5 don’t want to move that far down. Is there one example of a move from the 20s to the top 5? The only one we have is the Rams and Goff from 15 to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Mahomes and Watson were both from mid 20s to 10 and 12. The Eagles had to move from the mid teens to 8 and then again to 2. From 20 to 2-3 would be the largest trade up in draft history. It would be straight out of Draft Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, topwop1 said: For one he didn't play at all in 2020 besides 1 game in which he wasn't impressive and he's only a 1 year starter that comes from a div II school. He carries a lot of risk and for that reason I think he's going to fall At this point, many of the prognosticators don't even think he's QB#4. So, hard to qualify a drop like that, slot-wise, as a real "fall". If Pace has anything to do with Lance (in the first round), he's an idiot. 28 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Is there one example of a move from the 20s to the top 5? The only one we have is the Rams and Goff from 15 to 1 So...15 to 1 is possible, but 20 to 3 isn't? Interesting. 26 minutes ago, WindyCity said: From 20 to 2-3 would be the largest trade up in draft history. It would be straight out of Draft Day. Draft Day should have been such a good movie. It sucks that its ignorance of the NFL really crippled the plot. And...20 plus Jaylon Johnson, Cody Whitehair, and 2021 #1 would not at all be out of the question. Maybe (probably) more stuff, but that would be the heart of it. Just because teams rarely trade players doesn't mean it can't be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: At this point, many of the prognosticators don't even think he's QB#4. So, hard to qualify a drop like that, slot-wise, as a real "fall". If Pace has anything to do with Lance (in the first round), he's an idiot. So...15 to 1 is possible, but 20 to 3 isn't? Interesting. Draft Day should have been such a good movie. It sucks that its ignorance of the NFL really crippled the plot. And...20 plus Jaylon Johnson, Cody Whitehair, and 2021 #1 would not at all be out of the question. Maybe (probably) more stuff, but that would be the heart of it. Just because teams rarely trade players doesn't mean it can't be done. It means it is unlikely. We have one example fo a major trade up into the top 5 in the modern history of the draft. That to me says it is not likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 If Carr is moved and we miss out on him this could be a bleak offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: If Carr is moved and we miss out on him this could be a bleak offseason. This is quickly turning into a seller's market. Do you send two firsts for Derek freaking Carr? I sure as hell don't. Two seconds? Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, G08 said: This is quickly turning into a seller's market. Do you send two firsts for Derek freaking Carr? I sure as hell don't. Two seconds? Sign me up. I really don't see the Raiders trading him. That would set back all the progress they've made the last two years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, WindyCity said: Trades from 20 into the top 5 do not happen... like ever. We really have no precedent for a team moving up that far. Most teams in the top 5 don’t want to move that far down. Is there one example of a move from the 20s to the top 5? The only one we have is the Rams and Goff from 15 to 1 Ok what about a trade to #6 or 7 then lol? It doesn't have to be a trade up to picks 2 through 5. One of Fields or Wilson could very well be there at 6 or 7 and Philly and Detroit could very well want to trade out of those spots You're underestimating the power of Pace desperation Edited February 3, 2021 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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