Packers (Unofficially?) Promote Maurice Drayton to ST Coordinator

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It's an organizational issue.  They won't spend picks or trade for quality return men.  They should have made the long snapper switch in training camp .. they knew Bradley was terrible and for some unknown reason waited until the season began to make the swap.  They had all of training camp to get that figured out.  Pretty ridiculous.

[ThatJerkDave]

I keep seeing the "(Unofficially?)" part of the title of this thread, and misreading it as "(Unfortunately?)" 

[Norm]

28 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said:

I keep seeing the "(Unofficially?)" part of the title of this thread, and misreading it as "(Unfortunately?)" 

I've done this multiple times now too...

[Zycho32]

5 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

I keep seeing the "(Unofficially?)" part of the title of this thread, and misreading it as "(Unfortunately?)" 

Time for a name change.

[skibrett15]

Crosby is average, always has been.

Bojorquez is above average.  Possibly even great.  Also possibly a bad holder.

Long Snapper is terrible, new one is also meh.

 

Need 2-3 more korey hall Jeff Janis players.  Need more consequences for missed assignments - read: cut the cuttable players making mistakes.

 

Lastly, need to fire the ST coordinator.  It's really that simple.  The guy needs to go, and the associated message needs to be sent.  It really doesn't matter whether he's actually deserving of being fired.  Organization needs to state that this is unacceptable, and to do that you MUST fire the guy.  He's at best replacement level anyway, so you really risk nothing with the move.

[Leader]

My jaw would hit the floor if Drayton isnt let go this offseason.

[incognito_man]

14 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

Crosby is average, always has been.

Bojorquez is above average.  Possibly even great.  Also possibly a bad holder.

Long Snapper is terrible, new one is also meh.

 

Need 2-3 more korey hall Jeff Janis players.  Need more consequences for missed assignments - read: cut the cuttable players making mistakes.

 

Lastly, need to fire the ST coordinator.  It's really that simple.  The guy needs to go, and the associated message needs to be sent.  It really doesn't matter whether he's actually deserving of being fired.  Organization needs to state that this is unacceptable, and to do that you MUST fire the guy.  He's at best replacement level anyway, so you really risk nothing with the move.

Why stop there? If a message needs to be sent, we need to fire the guy who HIRED that guy in the first place.

I think MLF should be fired for accepting this production for this long.

[skibrett15]

Just now, incognito_man said:

Why stop there? If a message needs to be sent, we need to fire the guy who HIRED that guy in the first place.

I think MLF should be fired for accepting this production for this long.

k

[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, skibrett15 said:

k

The only reason to fire him is if he's doing something inadequately himself. MLF seems to strongly believe that it's not the coach's fault. Some posters here also recognize there's more to it than that. None of us REALLY know, and the best info we have is that MLF hasn't fired him - and he's earned our trust in making staffing decisions.

So that leads me to believe it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue.

[skibrett15]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

The only reason to fire him is if he's doing something inadequately himself. MLF seems to strongly believe that it's not the coach's fault. Some posters here also recognize there's more to it than that. None of us REALLY know, and the best info we have is that MLF hasn't fired him - and he's earned our trust in making staffing decisions.

So that leads me to believe it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue.

there was more going on in the MM-Rodgers dynamic than just bad coaching.  Was still a slam dunk move to can McCarthy.

 

That's what we have here.  An obvious no-downside move in canning the ST coordinator who has failed in every single phase of his responsibilities.

[incognito_man]

Just now, skibrett15 said:

there was more going on in the MM-Rodgers dynamic than just bad coaching.  Was still a slam dunk move to can McCarthy.

 

That's what we have here.  An obvious no-downside move in canning the ST coordinator who has failed in every single phase of his responsibilities.

the MM/Rodgers dynamic is not remotely comparable. That wasn't a personnel issue at all.

It might be obvious to you, but it's not obvious to the best-informed person who also happens to be the best coach in the league.

[Packerraymond]

11 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Why stop there? If a message needs to be sent, we need to fire the guy who HIRED that guy in the first place.

I think MLF should be fired for accepting this production for this long.

Gute should be fired for accepting that LaFleur accepts this production. Maybe Murphy for accepting that Gute accepts that LaFleur accepts it.

Or maybe people just don't know anything about special teams coaching. We've changed like 4 times now this decadez nothing has changed....maybe not the coaching????

[incognito_man]

4 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Gute should be fired for accepting that LaFleur accepts this production. Maybe Murphy for accepting that Gute accepts that LaFleur accepts it.

Or maybe people just don't know anything about special teams coaching. We've changed like 4 times now this decadez nothing has changed....maybe not the coaching????

I'm all about the "buck stops here" line of thinking when things aren't working, but I don't believe the buck stops w/ the ST coordinator on stuff like this. Too many levels above him that have too big of an impact on the results IMO

[skibrett15]

2 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

the MM/Rodgers dynamic is not remotely comparable. That wasn't a personnel issue at all.

It might be obvious to you, but it's not obvious to the best-informed person who also happens to be the best coach in the league.

It's obvious to him too, he just isn't saying it publicly. 

The coaching is downright terrible, and the explanations about the FG protection earlier in the year are a perfect example of it.  He's hoping in vain that he will turn it around, but he won't, and then he'll be let go in the offseason.

 

The comparison is simply related to the obvious nature of the poor results/poor fit.  And just like with McCarthy, he's far from the only problem.  The talent and roster are deficient, and the organizational philosophy to marginalize special teams should be reconsidered. 

But the difference this year is while we used to have bottom tier STs, this is creating a new, lower tier than had previously ever existed.  And the STs are getting worse as the season progresses.

 

9th worst in kickoff, worst in kickoff return, 13th in punt, worst in punt return, worst in field goal.  26.8 "points" worth of field position lost.

[incognito_man]

2 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

It's obvious to him too, he just isn't saying it publicly. 

The coaching is downright terrible, and the explanations about the FG protection earlier in the year are a perfect example of it.  He's hoping in vain that he will turn it around, but he won't, and then he'll be let go in the offseason.

 

The comparison is simply related to the obvious nature of the poor results/poor fit.  And just like with McCarthy, he's far from the only problem.  The talent and roster are deficient, and the organizational philosophy to marginalize special teams should be reconsidered. 

But the difference this year is while we used to have bottom tier STs, this is creating a new, lower tier than had previously ever existed.  And the STs are getting worse as the season progresses.

 

9th worst in kickoff, worst in kickoff return, 13th in punt, worst in punt return, worst in field goal.  26.8 "points" worth of field position lost.

It wouldn't be surprising to see MLF hire his own guy. He inherited Drayton - but his commitment to him in-season speaks loudly to his belief that the issues are not resolvable by getting rid of Drayton. He has no inherent loyalty to him.