AkronsWitness Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, massraider said: So much of his TV coverage really just smacks of a lot of these people wanting him to be something, the throwback, pocket passer, less athletic guy. They prattle on and on about all this stuff that cannot be quantified---game manager skills, frankly. His vision, his smarts, his ability to play within the offense. If you watch ESPN, Mac Jones can split the atom while solving a Rubik's Cube, and the other QBs are getting by with physical gifts, yada yada yada. Mac Jones is the version of Cody Kessler that worked out. I just don't see what people are so enamoured with. At best, he is Kirk Cousins. A accurate short/mid range passer who can hit the open target but lacks any real "wow" ability or game breaking type of abilities. He is a 2nd round QB prospect or a late 1st to a QB desperate team. Edited March 30, 2021 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Justin Hilliard Ohio State LB: 6-0 1/2 229 ran a 4.84/4.81. Did have 27 reps on the bench which beat Brownings 23 so that is solid but does have shorter arms. Still dude flashed big time in the last few games for Ohio State, thought he could run faster than that though. Buddy Johnson Texas A&M LB: 6-0 229 ran a solid 4.57/4.59 which is a surprise, also had a 38.5" vertical. I had as a 7th round pick, might move up a little with speed like that. Bobby Brown Texas A&M DT: 6-4 321 had a 4.98/5.02 40 which is a good for a dude that big. Still trying to find Tommy Doyle's numbers which I cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Did DeVonta do anything today or did he sit out his second opportunity? ran a couple routes, but that's it. Hopefully he has a handshake agreement with the Eagles. Edited March 30, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Did DeVonta do anything today or did he sit out his second opportunity? Well Mac Jones who some call this awful QB convinced him to workout and catch some balls. Mind you DeVonta Smith's finger is apparently still purple because of the injury which happened what 2 1/2 months ago. He did catch some balls, did not look all that comfortable at all times because they taped up his hand so did not have usual use of it. Ran well when he was in there but was only in there maybe 15-20% of the time. Did help that Mac had an actual receiver he throw to and not a backup TE and LB like last time. Did have a fade route he misjudged then they ran it again and he did better the second time. Apparently has not throw/caught with Mac Jones much at all because of the injury and was kind of a random thing he was not originally going to do. Mac Jones is the reason he ran though apparently which shows a lot about Mac Jones, most receivers going into the draft would not workout with a purple finger. Glad he did. DeVonta acted like a pro when not running routes, he was looking at the play sheet and seemed pretty focused. The kid will work and prepare like few other receivers in the draft, same can be said for Mac Jones arguably. With Mac throwing and if DeVonta was healthy, seems like they could throw balls and run routes all day and still try to perfect things regardless. Still if he did run a 4.4 40 would it really matter. Surprised he did not run a 40 but ultimately the people that have an issue with his weight will always have an issue with his weight and not take him because of it. So not sure that 40 time matters much in the end for the best route runner in the draft. Edited March 30, 2021 by Ozzy spelling finger (dyslexic) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Did DeVonta do anything today or did he sit out his second opportunity? Just ran some routes during Mac Jones throwing session, but did show some of his athleticism on this beautiful 60 yard bomb by Mac Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Ozzy said: How is that going to happen? Better start working on a trade real quick, dude will be gone in the first four picks, maybe Atlanta will trade out but those other three are not moving. Hell Fields could jump Zach Wilson to the Jets. Stop trying to speak Fields jumping Wilson into existence lol. Ain’t happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, KingOfNewYork said: Stop trying to speak Fields jumping Wilson into existence lol. Ain’t happening. Sure maybe you are all in on Zach Wilson to save the franchise. But Fields provides a few things Zach Wilson cannot provide and to say Fields made throws at the same degree of difficulty if not at a higher level than Zach Wilson...well he did. Those cannons he shot off moving to his left and right were absolute rockets, oh and he is bigger, faster and stronger. Stranger things have happened but yeah maybe Zach Wilson is penciled in already at #2, but honestly he should not be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Sure maybe you are all in on Zach Wilson to save the franchise. But Fields provides a few things Zach Wilson cannot provide and to say Fields made throws at the same degree of difficulty if not at a higher level than Zach Wilson...well he did. Those cannons he shot off moving to his left and right were absolute rockets, oh and he is bigger, faster and stronger. Stranger things have happened but yeah maybe Zach Wilson is penciled in already at #2, but honestly he should not be. He literally didn’t. Fields is a good prospect as is Wilson but there huge gaps between the two as passers. Wilson can win short, intermediate and deep. Fields cannot and it showed he has trouble with the timing and anticipation throws outside. Teams aren’t throwing 40+ yard throws all game. He also needs to put everything into his deep throws. Wilson can literally flick his wrist and drive it the same distance. It’s levels between the two and it’s not even close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: He literally didn’t. Fields is a good prospect as is Wilson but there huge gaps between the two as passers. Wilson can win short, intermediate and deep. Fields cannot and it showed he has trouble with the timing and anticipation throws outside. Teams aren’t throwing 40+ yard throws all game. He also needs to put everything into his deep throws. Wilson can literally flick his wrist and drive it the same distance. It’s levels between the two and it’s not even close. Put everything into it? I read someone on here say Field's throws are "all arm". Not sure I agree with that but if they are, think if he makes some simple corrections with his footwork how far he could throw it if his arm is doing most of it? Fields in this workout was clearly trying to show his arm talent and strength, he did not take near as many short throws as Wilson did. Still the dynamic he provides in the run game is more than just a little thing, much less his physical size and strength which is much greater than Wilson. Fields was in big time pain and discomfort in that Clemson game after that big hit to his hip. He played great after that despite the pain and discomfort and showed a lot of grit and ability to take contact. Justin Fields can handle intense coaching, has taken hits in big games and come back, has overcome adversity, has played under pressure... Not sure Zach Wilson has done all of those things especially lately, and again based on the throws Fields made, not sure Zach Wilson even has a better arm. Were you or anyone else talking up Zach Wilson's arm talent after his freshman or sophomore year in college? The answer is no because he did not make throws like that in those seasons really, good arm but never to this level. Granted maybe he is just a slow developer who knows, could always make those odd angle throws but then again not everyone that can do that is Patrick Mahomes either. Sure some throws he is better at but other throws Fields is better at. And there is something to what they are asked to do, even Mac Jones made some nice throws going to his left in his 2nd pro day that were out of character. But like he said in the interviews, he was not asked to do that because it was out of the framework of the offense so he did not do it. Not because he cannot make the throw but really was not asked to do it and sometimes in Pro days they are not asked to do that either. But these dudes saw what Zach Wilson did and guess what Fields made some throws like that and Mac tried to as well. Sure Beck was the coordinator of the workout for both Fields and Wilson, real curious what his thoughts are about each player, but then again he is working for both for money so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: He literally didn’t. Fields is a good prospect as is Wilson but there huge gaps between the two as passers. Wilson can win short, intermediate and deep. Fields cannot and it showed he has trouble with the timing and anticipation throws outside. Teams aren’t throwing 40+ yard throws all game. He also needs to put everything into his deep throws. Wilson can literally flick his wrist and drive it the same distance. It’s levels between the two and it’s not even close. Just a flick of the wrist to throw it 50+ yards. Man, I need to see what Wilson can do when he puts everything on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Stop trying to speak Fields jumping Wilson into existence lol. Ain’t happening. And as a niner fan, I'm okay with that #pleasenotmac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Forge said: And as a niner fan, I'm okay with that #pleasenotmac We stan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, Forge said: And as a niner fan, I'm okay with that #pleasenotmac Yeah Mac looked less than spectacular today. I can’t see Kyle doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, .Buzz said: We stan. Kid was born to wear red 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Just a flick of the wrist to throw it 50+ yards. Man, I need to see what Wilson can do when he puts everything on it! Jerk lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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