Davis Mills

[dll2000]

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-scout-stanford-qb-davis-mills-pro-day-andy-dalton-introduced

*Cavaet - I have not watched a single down or highlight of Davis Mills.  This is just what I am reading on interwebs and seeing on youtube. 

There is talk and speculation surrounding Davis Mills as a fast rising draft prospect.   People are saying he was a potential or likely first round prospect next year, but was not ready this year.

He just had a good pro day and ran a fast 40 time (which always overly excites people).

Me:  This would be a developmental prospect and Bears have not shown ability to properly develop raw young talent - maybe ever.   Particularly and especially at QB position. 

Unless Bears change their development processes they should only draft 4 year starters at top of draft.   Or change their processes I guess.

I personally hate drafting young QBs and then changing staffs.  It is like throwing good money away because you waste a valuable year and the kid was not replacement coaches guy and he has no emotional or personal investment in him or his success.

 

 

 

 

[topwop1]

Don't know too much about him either but there is a lot of hype with him recently.

I've read he has all the prototypical things scouts look for in an NFL QB, such as great size and arm strength.

Given his resume I'm surprised he didn't decide to return to school for another year to potentially be a top QB prospect.

I know what you're saying about Bears inability to develop QBs but I honestly wouldn't mind them taking a flier on him to sit behind Dalton for a year and learn the pro side of things, especially if Pace & Nagy have more years ahead of them with this team.

I don't know if Bears will be able to land any of the top-QB prospects in round 1 so if that's the case then I'd be fine with them targeting guys like Mond, Mills, etc in round 2+

[dll2000]

10 minutes ago, topwop1 said:

Don't know too much about him either but there is a lot of hype with him recently.

I've read he has all the prototypical things scouts look for in an NFL QB, such as great size and arm strength.

Given his resume I'm surprised he didn't decide to return to school for another year to potentially be a top QB prospect.

I know what you're saying about Bears inability to develop QBs but I honestly wouldn't mind them taking a flier on him to sit behind Dalton for a year and learn the pro side of things, especially if Pace & Nagy have more years ahead of them with this team.

I don't know if Bears will be able to land any of the top-QB prospects in round 1 so if that's the case then I'd be fine with them targeting guys like Mond, Mills, etc in round 2+

There really is no choice.   You are never going to develop a young QB unless you actually draft some from time to time.  

 

[beardown3231]

Not all that mobile on film but ran a great 40 yesterday

Has concerns about his left knee

I'd take him in round 2

[HuskieBear]

1 hour ago, beardown3231 said:

Not all that mobile on film but ran a great 40 yesterday

Has concerns about his left knee

I'd take him in round 2

exactly. if the plan is to grab a OT/WR/CB(now...) in the first, i'd be ok taking mills in the 2nd and letting him sit for the year

[blkwdw13]

The current Bears organization would still have to develop him, which I have no trust in them doing. Not saying I don’t want him just that this organization is that bad. 

[topwop1]

6 minutes ago, blkwdw13 said:

The current Bears organization would still have to develop him, which I have no trust in them doing. Not saying I don’t want him just that this organization is that bad. 

Who knows maybe they get lucky and stumble upon someone who has "it" and can just play

Just because it failed before can't not keep trying

[Heinz D.]

3 hours ago, dll2000 said:

This would be a developmental prospect and Bears have not shown ability to properly develop raw young talent - maybe ever.   Particularly and especially at QB position. 

In regards to the current staff, I'll counter that with a couple of thoughts. 

First--How much "talent" did Mitchell Trubisky actually have?

Second--The offensive staff now includes a couple of guys who have proven they can coach up young QBs. 

That all doesn't mean that I'm convinced their plan (getting another rookie, sitting him behind Dalton) will work. Just some stuff to consider...

[dll2000]

2 minutes ago, Heinz D. said:

In regards to the current staff, I'll counter that with a couple of thoughts. 

First--How much "talent" did Mitchell Trubisky actually have?

Second--The offensive staff now includes a couple of guys who have proven they can coach up young QBs. 

That all doesn't mean that I'm convinced their plan (getting another rookie, sitting him behind Dalton) will work. Just some stuff to consider...

I am not talking about just Mitch Trubisky.   

MT got every opportunity and he wasn't good enough.   Probably could say same with Shaheen.  

I am talking about developing young players with talent that aren't handed starting positions.   The 2nd and 3rd stringers.  

Those guys aren't being developed properly.    It seems for most guys they either come in good or they don't and never get good over time.

That should be happening more often with good coaching.   

When I say 'coaching' I don't just mean ability to coach.   It's impossible every Bears coach is bad or a bad teacher.  

But how you do practice off season and inseason really matters.  I don't think guys are getting enough live reps or enough real time teaching.

 

 

 

 

 

[Heinz D.]

28 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

I am talking about developing young players with talent that aren't handed starting positions.   The 2nd and 3rd stringers.  

Those guys aren't being developed properly.    It seems for most guys they either come in good or they don't and never get good over time.

That should be happening more often with good coaching.   

When I say 'coaching' I don't just mean ability to coach.   It's impossible every Bears coach is bad or a bad teacher.  

But how you do practice off season and inseason really matters.  I don't think guys are getting enough live reps or enough real time teaching.

I think you're probably right. In a general sense, anyway. The new CBA does make it harder, but other teams' players seem to have a better go at it than Nagy's guys. Nagy doesn't dole out playing time in a sensible way, either. A young QB may actually have the best shot of being properly coached up with this current staff. 

[Heinz D.]

Watched some Davis stuff on the interwebs. Intend to watch more. Kid seems to read the field well. Has an absolute cannon for an arm. 

[HuskieBear]

3 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

Watched some Davis stuff on the interwebs. Intend to watch more. Kid seems to read the field well. Has an absolute cannon for an arm. 

the biggest thing with him is his knee and his experience level. 

if his knee is ok, and i imagine it would be - we ain't in theisman territory anymore, and if he sits behind dalton to really understand things and get live practice reps (ie - not 3rd string barely doing anything) then grab him with our 2nd and be happy. might have to throw some picks in to move up if he keeps impressing people.

[Epyon]

If he's there in the third, maybe. 

 

Even so right now I'm looking

 

OT (slater, darrisaw, cosmi in that order) > Kadarius Toney - wr in round 1

D'Wayne Eskridge - wr in round 2

Then round three maybe going qb... Or getting Snowden - ILB. Guy is 6ft 7in with long arms.... Great in coverage, little weaker vs the run, but not a liability. Just brings a unique ability (size /length) that you can't get elsewhere

And yes, I'd take both both WRs if that's how the board breaks. I don't expect arob to be here long term, and don't trust anyone else but mooney. Toney is everything Miller was supposed to be combined with everything Patterson is supposed to be... And Eskridge is a better version of Mooney (and I really like Mooney) 

[GBHalas]

14 hours ago, Epyon said:

If he's there in the third, maybe. 

 

Even so right now I'm looking

 

OT (slater, darrisaw, cosmi in that order) > Kadarius Toney - wr in round 1

D'Wayne Eskridge - wr in round 2

Then round three maybe going qb... Or getting Snowden - ILB. Guy is 6ft 7in with long arms.... Great in coverage, little weaker vs the run, but not a liability. Just brings a unique ability (size /length) that you can't get elsewhere

And yes, I'd take both both WRs if that's how the board breaks. I don't expect arob to be here long term, and don't trust anyone else but mooney. Toney is everything Miller was supposed to be combined with everything Patterson is supposed to be... And Eskridge is a better version of Mooney (and I really like Mooney) 

I really like that Eskridge kid.  He could be a true big play specialist, and he has what this team needs, a person who can take a short pass and make a long run or even a house call.  

[Epyon]

10 hours ago, GBHalas said:

I really like that Eskridge kid.  He could be a true big play specialist, and he has what this team needs, a person who can take a short pass and make a long run or even a house call.  

And has the kind of "pick your poison" speed to pair very well with Mooney taking the top off a defense both for explosive plays (covering TWO 4.3 speed guys is way harder than scheming to cover one of them), but also for just pulling corners/safeties back and letting underneath mismatches like Cohen do some work.