big_palooka Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Say it for what it is, Frankie! We upgraded on the only real solid player we've got on D not named Mullen and signed a luxury RB2 for seemingly no reason other than to arbitrarily pay more for a RB2 while ignoring legitimate needs. People can sugarcoat it, but it's true. We've gotten worse by stuffing the roster with more replacement talent at positions of need yet again. We signed A LOT of guys, sure, but how many are upgrades from last year? Drake? The least necessary signing we made? Our answer to Crosby being our only pass rush is to stuff the rest of the DL with even more rotational back end of roster guys and use our money to instead pull Crosby from his starting role? Seriously? Where are the "but young guys need to play" crowd on that? The one young guy in our front 7 who produces is now being relegated to a rotational position. Why not any of the other ones who don't actually produce? Hell, we managed to create a need by Gruden and Mayock simply being here, and we've even managed to bungle that situation spectacularly. We lost Rodney Hudson, signed Nick Martin, and gave Andre James an extension for a handful of bad snaps...🤦🏼♂️...just, why? Gruden and Mayock are clearly just winging it. There's no plan. There's no semblance of a strategy. And yet the Neros fiddle away, preaching patience and contradictions. Sign Willie Snead and he's talking about "changing the culture" which was clearly a talking point in his job interview. Here we are... year 4 of Gruden and "changing the culture" is still a topic. This is a rebuild of the rebuild if we're being honest. Instead of a decisive strategy for adding talent. It's another sign a bunch of JAGs in the name of competition approach. Can't wait for the suffering of this Gruden era to end honestly. Most mismanaged approach to roster building I've seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 We are all clear here that your opening day starting WRs are Brown and Snead right? Gruden is going to play the vets regardless with HR3 getting his occasional deep ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And still some will convince themselves adding a FS makes this team a playoff contender. Reality is, unless these recent early draft picks dramatically flip a switch, this is a 6 win team. This Oline is going to be suspect, the offense is going to struggle to be consistent. And the defense is still awful. Playoffs LOL Anyone who thinks this is a playoff team needs their heads examined. I agree with you this is a 6 win team that has many holes yet to fill. Anyone who is optimistic about this current roster is basing that optimism not on proven statistics rather on projections from unproven talents. This team is pretty sad and I just want this Gruden nightmare to end. Sadly Mark Davis is a bafoon and is clearly a Gruden homer which means he likely isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. It's pretty amazing what a bright HC/GM combo can do for a franchise which is exactly what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: As for Yannick, again, cool, he had some nice seasons surrounded by more talented guys. And maybe he replicates and/or builds on that success around the lesser talent we have. That still doesn't address the problem. Our only consistent pass rusher was Crosby, who Yannick is going to replace on the field. We signed someone to fix the one spot that was arguably not broken while doing the same old song and dance with the actually broken ones. What kind of strategy is that? It isn't a viable one, that's for sure. Yannick had 8 sacks as a rookie on one of the worst defenses in the NFL. And has had 8+ sacks every year he has been in the NFL. And why is Yannick going to replace him on the field? They'll be on opposite sides on passing downs. Yannick has played the majority of his career as a LDE and Crosby has played as a RDE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: We are all clear here that your opening day starting WRs are Brown and Snead right? Gruden is going to play the vets regardless with HR3 getting his occasional deep ball. Ruggs and Edwards were the starting WR's on opening day last season, both got banged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, big_palooka said: We are all clear here that your opening day starting WRs are Brown and Snead right? Gruden is going to play the vets regardless with HR3 getting his occasional deep ball. Our top 3 WR's should be Edwards, Ruggs and Brown and that alone is quite pathetic considering two of the three disappointed as rookies and have proven nothing at the NFL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: Our top 3 WR's should be Edwards, Ruggs and Brown and that alone is quite pathetic considering two of the three disappointed as rookies and have proven nothing at the NFL level. Our top 3 WR will be John Brown, Henry Ruggs, and Hunter Renfrow. Brown had 1,000 yards playing with Josh Allen before he was actually good. Renfrow has been one of the most consistent slot WR's in the league the last two seasons. And Ruggs flashed but was clearly never healthy and had a rough rookie year. Brandin Cooks had 53 receptions for 550 yards/3 TD as a rookie. Then had 84 receptions for 1,138 yards and 9 TD in year 2. Tyreek Hill had 61 receptions for 593 yards/6 TD as a rookie. Then had 75 receptions for 1,138 yards and 7 TD in year 2. Chris Godwin had 34 catches for 525 yards/1 TD as a rookie. Then had 59 receptions for 842 yards and 7 TD in year 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Decent WR4. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 36 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And still some will convince themselves adding a FS makes this team a playoff contender. Reality is, unless these recent early draft picks dramatically flip a switch, this is a 6 win team. This Oline is going to be suspect, the offense is going to struggle to be consistent. And the defense is still awful. Change the outcome of 3 plays last season and we're 11-5 despite having the worst defense in franchise history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Our top 3 WR will be John Brown, Henry Ruggs, and Hunter Renfrow. Brown had 1,000 yards playing with Josh Allen before he was actually good. Renfrow has been one of the most consistent slot WR's in the league the last two seasons. And Ruggs flashed but was clearly never healthy and had a rough rookie year. Brandin Cooks had 53 receptions for 550 yards/3 TD as a rookie. Then had 84 receptions for 1,138 yards and 9 TD in year 2. Tyreek Hill had 61 receptions for 593 yards/6 TD as a rookie. Then had 75 receptions for 1,138 yards and 7 TD in year 2. Chris Godwin had 34 catches for 525 yards/1 TD as a rookie. Then had 59 receptions for 842 yards and 7 TD in year 2. A decimated Oline and three small WR's. What could possibly go wrong there? Renfrow is at best an average 3, John Brown an average 2 when healthy and Ruggs has proven nothing. You can't be happy with these guys going into the season no matter how many worthless, cherry picked stats you chose to vomit all over everyone on here. The fact that you mention Tyreek Hill with our WR group is flat out delusional and laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Change the outcome of 3 plays last season and we're 11-5 despite having the worst defense in franchise history. If you think we are anything close to an 11 win team, you really need to go back to football 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: A decimated Oline and three small WR's. What could possibly go wrong there? Renfrow is at best an average 3, John Brown an average 2 when healthy and Ruggs has proven nothing. You can't be happy with these guys going into the season no matter how many worthless, cherry picked stats you chose to vomit all over everyone on here. The fact that you mention Tyreek Hill with our WR group is flat out delusional and laughable. Is the offseason over? If Incognito is healthy, Incognito/Miller is one of the best left sides in football. Good played better than Gabe Jackson and if we draft a RT I have faith that he'll play better than Sam Young or Brandon Parker did last season. Well the good thing is that we have Waller as our #1 target, huh? Nelson Agholor had 360 yards in his last year with Philadelphia and was an after thought in free agency. With Nelly, Ruggs, Edwards, and Renfrow we had a top 10 offense despite a rag tag group on the OL all year. Ruggs has game changing speed/quickness just like Hill and Cooks. Both of those guys had so-so rookie seasons and broke out as second year players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: If you think we are anything close to an 11 win team, you really need to go back to football 101. If Abram doesn't abandon his coverage to come tackle Mahomes on the last play we beat the Chiefs. If Mariota doesn't throw an interception late against the Chargers, we kick the FG and we beat them. If Key/Arnette don't completely crap the bed with 17 seconds left, we beat the Dolphins 3 plays to go from 8-8 to 11-5 last season, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Is the offseason over? If Incognito is healthy, Incognito/Miller is one of the best left sides in football. Good played better than Gabe Jackson and if we draft a RT I have faith that he'll play better than Sam Young or Brandon Parker did last season. Well the good thing is that we have Waller as our #1 target, huh? Nelson Agholor had 360 yards in his last year with Philadelphia and was an after thought in free agency. With Nelly, Ruggs, Edwards, and Renfrow we had a top 10 offense despite a rag tag group on the OL all year. Ruggs has game changing speed/quickness just like Hill and Cooks. Both of those guys had so-so rookie seasons and broke out as second year players. Nothing but excuses and optimistic projections. When the season hits reality will come slap you and all of your worthless cherry picked stats across the face. It's happened for the last two decades and all of a sudden you think this team has 11 win potential. Hahaha give me a break. 20 years of proven worthlessness but in your warped mind this is the year SMH Edited March 26, 2021 by Frankie2Gunz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: If Abram doesn't abandon his coverage to come tackle Mahomes on the last play we beat the Chiefs. If Mariota doesn't throw an interception late against the Chargers, we kick the FG and we beat them. If Key/Arnette don't completely crap the bed with 17 seconds left, we beat the Dolphins 3 plays to go from 8-8 to 11-5 last season, If's, excuses and cherry picked stats so you can convince yourself this team is not a dumpster fire.... All straight nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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