Roster/Cuts Thread

[turtle28]

9 minutes ago, lavar703 said:

And you say that like it eases my concerns. Jimmy Moreland was better than both of them. And that’s from actual evidence seen on the field. Moreland wasn’t some world beater or great but he has a lot of potential and played very well when put out there. Rivera overthought this one. It was a dumb move. 

I don’t know that Moreland was  better than what we saw out of McTyer & McTyer showed to be better outside, at least that was reported & said by coaches during camp. I don’t understand why Roberts was chosen over Moreland. That’s the head scratcher to me. I would’ve rather had Moreland still or Reaves on our active roster than Roberts.

[lavar703]

5 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

I don’t know that Moreland was  better than what we saw out of McTyer & McTyer showed to be better outside, at least that was reported & said by coaches during camp. I don’t understand why Roberts was chosen over Moreland. That’s the head scratcher to me. I would’ve rather had Moreland still or Reaves on our active roster than Roberts.

I really have no idea why people were seeing with McTyer? Dude should’ve been called for PI multiple times in the preseason and receivers were constantly behind him. I mean, I wouldn’t say he was horrible but sure he was good? Roberts making the team was shocking because he was terrible during preseason. I honestly think there was absolutely nothing Moreland could do to make this team. Rivera had his mind made up we needed to get bigger at corner. Another reason I think Apke was moved there foolishly. I know we aren’t allowed to question St. Rivera but this was a misstep in my opinion. 

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, lavar703 said:

I really have no idea why people were seeing with McTyer? Dude should’ve been called for PI multiple times in the preseason and receivers were constantly behind him. I mean, I wouldn’t say he was horrible but sure he was good? Roberts making the team was shocking because he was terrible during preseason. I honestly think there was absolutely nothing Moreland could do to make this team. Rivera had his mind made up we needed to get bigger at corner. Another reason I think Apke was moved there foolishly. I know we aren’t allowed to question St. Rivera but this was a misstep in my opinion. 

I guess we’ll find out. I liked what McTyer showed. We also don’t see the training camp practices. I’m thinking Roberts made it for special teams reasons maybe, I don’t know but it’s not like Jimmy was a bad special teams player. 
 

Roberts did have 9 tackles in the 3rd preseason game of course that stat doesn’t tell the whole story for corners. If he had to tackle receivers after they caught the ball on him, that’s bad, if he’s tackling running backs, those are good tackles for a corner.
 

Either way, I just hope it works out for the best.

Edited September 7, 2021 by turtle28

[theskawks]

Jimmy Moreland signed with the Texans.

[Thaiphoon]

6 hours ago, lavar703 said:

And you say that like it eases my concerns. Jimmy Moreland was better than both of them. And that’s from actual evidence seen on the field. Moreland wasn’t some world beater or great but he has a lot of potential and played very well when put out there. Rivera overthought this one. It was a dumb move. 

I was a dumb move. And Moreland was better than both of them. Was he a first rounder? No. But when your 7th rounder is the returning 3rd rated slot corner in the league, you don't cut him just because the other guy can run fast down the field on punts.

[Thaiphoon]

6 hours ago, lavar703 said:

I really have no idea why people were seeing with McTyer? Dude should’ve been called for PI multiple times in the preseason and receivers were constantly behind him. I mean, I wouldn’t say he was horrible but sure he was good? Roberts making the team was shocking because he was terrible during preseason. I honestly think there was absolutely nothing Moreland could do to make this team. Rivera had his mind made up we needed to get bigger at corner. Another reason I think Apke was moved there foolishly. I know we aren’t allowed to question St. Rivera but this was a misstep in my opinion. 

Everything.

This (especially bolded)

1,000 %

As for the underlined, Rivera makes mistakes. I'm confident this is one of them. 

[Thaiphoon]

4 hours ago, turtle28 said:

I guess we’ll find out. I liked what McTyer showed. We also don’t see the training camp practices. I’m thinking Roberts made it for special teams reasons maybe, I don’t know but it’s not like Jimmy was a bad special teams player. 

I'm with @lavar703. I honestly don't know what McTyer showed you that you liked. As lavar said, he should've been flagged constantly and I saw receivers get behind him again and again. Not sure what he was showing in practice, because the preseason games he left a big stinking pile IMHO.

But the bolded tells me that what Lavar was saying about Rivera wanting to "Get bigger at corner" is more true than not. Jimmy was a gunner in college. He can absolutely do that job. What Apke can't do is to actually play any position in the secondary. Which tells me this was less about Apke's "special teams ability" and more of Rivera looking at anthropometrics and making predetermined decisions based on that.

And I darned sure don't know what they saw in Roberts. Dude is pushing 30 and is not an upgrade from Jimmy. 

As for making the best of it. It may be difficult for Jimmy to adjust this late (no OTAs, no Preseason, etc..) to a new defense, but I think eventually he'll do just fine after awhile. 

 

[Thaiphoon]

BTW - I'm leaving this up until Friday or Saturday. Then un-sticky-ing it

[e16bball]

I didn’t watch the Baltimore game. I recorded it and then deleted it when I saw we (a) didn’t play any starters and (b) got demolished. 

I liked what I saw from McTyer in the first two preseason games. He made a nice play on a deep ball in the end zone against the Pats, and he made several nice plays against the Bengals, while playing against their starters for the whole 1st half. 

I liked Jimmy, as well. I’m not sure why they kept Roberts over him — the easy answer, to me, would have been to just drop Roberts and let Moreland/McTyer continue to compete for the backup spots (as I think St. Juste has probably claimed the CB3 spot). But Roberts is a guy who has been a long-time borderline starter in the league, so it’s not like he’s some no-name. They specifically brought him in, so I guess they wanted to give him more time to show what they were expecting from him.

[Woz]

On 9/2/2021 at 11:12 PM, e16bball said:

I’m no Apke fan, but I pretty strongly suspect that as long as he’s healthy, he’ll play more snaps for the 2021 Football Team than at least 10-15 of the guys they kept on the initial 53. 

I would hope so since they kept him solely as a gunner.

That still doesn't necessarily make it a good thing.

On 9/2/2021 at 11:12 PM, e16bball said:

We’ve carried Deshazor Everett in that role for years.

Everett was at worst serviceable as a safety. Apke isn't even that.

On 9/2/2021 at 11:12 PM, e16bball said:

To me, the question is whether Apke is THAT good in the role that he’s worth keeping as one of your dedicated specialists — from listening to Rivera talk about him, it seems they think he is, at least. 

I guess we'll see.

[Woz]

On 9/3/2021 at 1:15 AM, turtle28 said:

And, Actually Alexander did start 12 games as an OLB in our 3-4 in 2010, he only had 1.5 sacks and he wasn’t very good as an edge pass rusher but, he was good vs the run - of course it was his first year doing it. Instead of sticking with him there and developing him as a starting Lb, in the next draft we drafted Kerrigan.

1. They didn't give him much time at ILB, which is where he should have gone. But I'm sure the roster was against him there too.
2. The real reason that he left is that Washington tried to screw with his contract at the last moment. Had they not done that, he would have been here for his career. Maybe he would have gotten a chance to start at ILB. Who knows?

[turtle28]

On 9/9/2021 at 7:22 PM, Woz said:

1. They didn't give him much time at ILB, which is where he should have gone. But I'm sure the roster was against him there too.
2. The real reason that he left is that Washington tried to screw with his contract at the last moment. Had they not done that, he would have been here for his career. Maybe he would have gotten a chance to start at ILB. Who knows?

I totally agree, Bruce Allen screwed him, imagine that?

And if you remember, I had him pegged for London Fletcher’s replacement when Fletch retired but he never got the chance to do it bc of Bruce Allen.

 

[Daboyle]

On 9/2/2021 at 9:32 AM, Thaiphoon said:

Yeah. Give me a few days and I'll set it up. Right now, real world (and I do mean world) situations are keeping me busy.

Since there’s no thread yet, I’m adopting Terry McLaurin.