Where does Saquon Barkley rank among busts?

[jsthomp2007]

Not all RBs come back from ACL tears like Adrian Peterson did.  I'd give him another year before the bust labels come out.  And RBs are different, he might wind up with like the Chiefs and become an AP.

[Hunter2_1]

I still think he’s an elite RB 😂

just when healthy and with an OL that isn’t a sieve. I don’t think many would be productive in his situation. I’m almost desperate for him to find a new team 

[Mox]

Hard to call a guy a bust with this resume:

2018: 2,028 YFS 15 TDs, led league in YFS

2019: 1,441 YFS 8 TDs, 11th in YFS in 13 games, was on pace for 2nd over a full season

2020: Injured

2021: 2 games in

[Uncle Buck]

It is FAR too early to write a talent like Saquon Barkley as a bust, just because he had an ACL injury.  Adrian Peterson was in a similar situation and wasn't too bad the year after his injury.  Saquon could follow up with a great season of his own, just like AD did.

[Uncle Buck]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:43 AM, SkippyX said:

Barry Sanders had a 13 carry -1 yard playoff game.

He played almost his entire career behind above average to very good O-lines in Detroit.

• Lomas Brown made 7 pro bowls. SEVEN! and one first team all pro
• Kevin Glover made 3
• Jeff Hartings later made 2 pro bowls and a first team all pro in Pittsburgh.

The 1991 Lions crushed the Cowboys in the playoffs and were up 31-6 with Barry at 22 yards rushing (he had a late 47 yard victory cigar TD to make it 38-6)

He'd get his butt handed to him behind this Giants O-line.

Pretending Barry Sanders was even better than he actually was and that he did it all by himself is a strange hobby for strange people.

Not having a great QB is not the same as having a horrific O-line.

 

Saquon had 1441 total yards in 13 games with 8 TDs in year 2.

Maybe people need to understand the term draft bust. It means the pick had almost no value, not that it was chosen 20 or 40 picks too soon.

• Hint: Mike Mamula was not a draft bust even if you did not think he was good enough. (31 1/2 sacks in 5 seasons)
• Hint: Vernon Gholston was a draft bust (no sacks)

Daniel Jones is not even a draft bust. He was taken 20-30 picks too soon, and Gettleman should be fired for it, but he's shown enough ability that he's not a draft bust.

Blake Bortles was not a draft bust.

Mitch Trubisky was not a draft bust (even though he was clearly not on the level with Mahomes or Watson)

Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Josh Rosen, and JaMarcus Russell were draft busts.

 

It was stupid for the Giants to draft Saquon when they did (should have traded down and hoarded much needed picks)

Saquon is a good player and in no way even remotely anything like a draft bust.

I agree with you on Saquon, but I would have to disagree with you on Bortles and Trubisky.  Bortles was never any better than mediocre.  It's hard to blame the Jags for taking him though, because that was just a tough year for QB's in the draft.  Bortles had promise, Manziel was a total wildcard, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garoppolo were good, but not necessarily great. 

Trubisky was chosen instead of Mahomes and Watson so that makes the pick look far worse than it was, but he was still a bust when you consider his draft position vs. his production, IMO.

[lomaxgrUK]

23 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

just when healthy and with an OL that isn’t a sieve. I don’t think many would be productive in his situation. I’m almost desperate for him to find a new team 

But doesn't this add weight to the fact he wasn't worthy of the #2 overall pick?

If you're having to rely upon the productivity of 5 other players, should you really be picking that player #2 overall?

I don't think the same applies to the QB, given the difference in importance of the positions.

[Hunter2_1]

1 hour ago, lomaxgrUK said:

But doesn't this add weight to the fact he wasn't worthy of the #2 overall pick?

If you're having to rely upon the productivity of 5 other players, should you really be picking that player #2 overall?

I don't think the same applies to the QB, given the difference in importance of the positions.

Yeah I wouldn’t have ever picked a RB at 2nd overall, even if he is generational. Can’t overcome a bottom 3 OL year in year out. Incompetent front office.

[AP_allday2869]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:43 AM, SkippyX said:

 

Blake Bortles was not a draft bust.

Mitch Trubisky was not a draft bust (even though he was clearly not on the level with Mahomes or Watson)

 

Are you high?

[lavar703]

Some of the things posted on this website are just ridiculous. I understand it’s mostly being done for attention but come on. The dude is an incredible talent with the numbers to back it up coming off a tough injury. He’ll be back to his normal self midway through the season. He’s a top 5 back. 

[sammymvpknight]

On 9/23/2021 at 8:09 AM, lomaxgrUK said:

But doesn't this add weight to the fact he wasn't worthy of the #2 overall pick?

If you're having to rely upon the productivity of 5 other players, should you really be picking that player #2 overall?

I don't think the same applies to the QB, given the difference in importance of the positions.

This argument makes absolutely no sense 

[lomaxgrUK]

9 hours ago, sammymvpknight said:

This argument makes absolutely no sense 

Perhaps I worded it poorly.

Trying to blame an OL for poor RB play seems like reasoning for not drafting a RB #2 overall.

A QB has a long career so drafting them with a poor OL carries some logic, especially given that they can (eventually) actually make a poor OL look good.

So, drafting a player #2 overall that requires an entire unit to play well, when he can't make them better, seems poor logic in my view.

 

[Nzd07]

Barkley was already (likely) a bust when he got drafted. If you are drafting a RB at #2 overall, if they aren't Walter Payton or LaDainian Tomlinson then the pick is a bust. RB's simply don't have the effect on the outcome of a game that an elite QB, EDGE, IDL, or OT have on the game. Heck, even an elite CB is more valuable than elite RB.

Imagine if you swapped Zeke for Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey and Diggs on the same team? get out of here.

[sammymvpknight]

As he blows up my Saints 

[minutemancl]

On 10/3/2021 at 4:19 PM, sammymvpknight said:

As he blows up my Saints 

I wrote him off last week. I thought he was done. Apparently it took him almost exactly 3.5 weeks to come back from that ACL. He looked like the old Barkley in the 2nd half of the Saints game.

[WideRight]

He's really not at bust level, but even if you want to categorize him that way he's not even in the conversation of the biggest.