turtle28 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghostnote said: If the building of a team is gradual, it should also show improvement. At this point, the defense is 31st in the league and the team has 2 wins against bad teams. Would Fitzpatrick have been able to muster more wins? IDK. What I do know is, if you have a first round draft pick that has a first round grade on him, he should be playing. PERIOD. Wasting time and energy to coach a player to the NFL game takes a lot more effort than to just put him on the field and let him go. There is no better learning curve than being on the field. The Pittsburgh Steelers. They rarely sign high price free agents and rely on smart drafting, good coaching, and players who are ready to play. THAT ladies and gentlemen, is a franchise to model after. Save money to keep your players that have panned out, draft players that smart, healthy, and meet criteria for their position. Its not rocket science, its football. Football. But all this stems from the top. Daniel Snyder. He has not set a good culture in 22 years and until he goes, this team will never be successful. Well the good news is that Jamin Davis played 56% of the snaps yesterday, which is what everyone in this forum and a lot of people on Twitter amongst beat reporters have been clamoring for all year. He didn’t have any splash plays but he did have 11 tackles & a QB hit and he looked faster out there and he looked like he knew what he was doing. Also, let’s be honest for LBs, most weeks nowadays they’re in coverage about 70% of the game so the splash plays we used to see decades ago vs the run from LBs are few and far between in todays NFL. It’s promising to me that Holcomb had 11 tackles, 1 sack, 1 pass defensed & 1 forced fumble while Jamin Davis had 11 tackles combined, 5 solo and 6 assisted and a 1 QB hit. I view that as a positive for our future, bc these two along with possibly Hudson at WLB or another LB we draft next year or in two years will be our core LBs. It seems that Jamin and especially Holcomb are making strides to becoming a good core to our D at Lb. Edited October 18, 2021 by turtle28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 12 hours ago, lavar703 said: Every move GM Rivera made in the off-season set this team back. This is a ridiculous statement. The Ryan Fitzpatrick signing doesn't matter, he never mattered. You completely glossed over the team retaining Taylor Heinicke on a very team friendly 2 year $4.75 mil deal, and he's been the best QB we've had since Kirk Cousins. We traded nothing for this guy, didn't spend a single draft pick and have found a decent starting QB. That alone is worth its weigh in gold and you're not giving the credit due there. Charles Leno was signed for an extremely reasonable 1 year $5 mil deal. He's been adequate as a starter and an upgrade over what we had last year. We traded for LG Ereck Flowers by swapping late round picks, so pretty much nothing, and he's been a solid starter. The team extended starting Center Chase Roullier to a reasonable 4 year, $40.5 mil extension. Instead of giving RG Scherff a billion dollar extension, we franchise tagged him, which was the smart thing to do. We cut the declining Morgan Moses and replaced him with 2nd Round Pick Sam Cosmi, which by all reports has been an upgrade. WR Adam Humphries has been a low key nice addition as a slot WR, he has 15 receptions for 149 yards through 6 games. WR Dynami Brown seems to be a solid depth WR addition. TE Ricky Seales Jones seems to have not missed a beat when Logan Thomas got injured, he already has 12 receptions for 137 yards and a TD. Speaking of Logan Thomas, the team rewarded his hard effort with a 3 year, $24.065 mil extension this offseason. Its good to show the locker room if they work hard the organization will pay them. On defense, we let Ryan Kerrigan leave, who has 1 recorded tackle and no sacks for the Eagles. The Dline didn't need any tweaking, just some back fill depth. We went with the draft young cheap guys approach. Since the Dline has been struggling in hindsight it may have been better to bring in a vet who maybe could have dug them out of this hole. Or maybe that wouldn't have done anything either. Hard to judge. Linebacker was the teams biggest need on defense and we spent a first round pick on one. Not sure how you can complain about that. Judging a rookie linebacker 6 games into his career is ridiculous. Swapping out the more expensive William Jackson from Darby hasn't been a homerun, until you remember that Darby is on IR. I would argue the bigger problem with the CBs has been the regression of Fuller. They seemed to want to fix our slot CB problem by playing Jackson and rookie St Juste outside and moving Fuller in the slot. He has played terribly there. St Juste has had his struggles but he's a 3rd round rookie. Honestly its the Jamin Davis argument, let the rookie take his lumps it should pay dividends down the road. Also there just seems to be something really wrong with the defensive scheme because the players look confused out there all the time, but that's a different discussion than GM moves. They probably should have addressed the FS position but you can't fix everything in an offseason. They picked up McClain off waivers, and honestly he hasn't been that impressive. But we have nothing invested in this guy we can just move on. They inherited the awful Landon Collins contract and there's nothing they could have really done about that this offseason. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: This is a ridiculous statement. The Ryan Fitzpatrick signing doesn't matter, he never mattered. You completely glossed over the team retaining Taylor Heinicke on a very team friendly 2 year $4.75 mil deal, and he's been the best QB we've had since Kirk Cousins. We traded nothing for this guy, didn't spend a single draft pick and have found a decent starting QB. That alone is worth its weigh in gold and you're not giving the credit due there. Charles Leno was signed for an extremely reasonable 1 year $5 mil deal. He's been adequate as a starter and an upgrade over what we had last year. We traded for LG Ereck Flowers by swapping late round picks, so pretty much nothing, and he's been a solid starter. The team extended starting Center Chase Roullier to a reasonable 4 year, $40.5 mil extension. Instead of giving RG Scherff a billion dollar extension, we franchise tagged him, which was the smart thing to do. We cut the declining Morgan Moses and replaced him with 2nd Round Pick Sam Cosmi, which by all reports has been an upgrade. WR Adam Humphries has been a low key nice addition as a slot WR, he has 15 receptions for 149 yards through 6 games. WR Dynami Brown seems to be a solid depth WR addition. TE Ricky Seales Jones seems to have not missed a beat when Logan Thomas got injured, he already has 12 receptions for 137 yards and a TD. Speaking of Logan Thomas, the team rewarded his hard effort with a 3 year, $24.065 mil extension this offseason. Its good to show the locker room if they work hard the organization will pay them. On defense, we let Ryan Kerrigan leave, who has 1 recorded tackle and no sacks for the Eagles. The Dline didn't need any tweaking, just some back fill depth. We went with the draft young cheap guys approach. Since the Dline has been struggling in hindsight it may have been better to bring in a vet who maybe could have dug them out of this hole. Or maybe that wouldn't have done anything either. Hard to judge. Linebacker was the teams biggest need on defense and we spent a first round pick on one. Not sure how you can complain about that. Judging a rookie linebacker 6 games into his career is ridiculous. Swapping out the more expensive William Jackson from Darby hasn't been a homerun, until you remember that Darby is on IR. I would argue the bigger problem with the CBs has been the regression of Fuller. They seemed to want to fix our slot CB problem by playing Jackson and rookie St Juste outside and moving Fuller in the slot. He has played terribly there. St Juste has had his struggles but he's a 3rd round rookie. Honestly its the Jamin Davis argument, let the rookie take his lumps it should pay dividends down the road. Also there just seems to be something really wrong with the defensive scheme because the players look confused out there all the time, but that's a different discussion than GM moves. They probably should have addressed the FS position but you can't fix everything in an offseason. They picked up McClain off waivers, and honestly he hasn't been that impressive. But we have nothing invested in this guy we can just move on. They inherited the awful Landon Collins contract and there's nothing they could have really done about that this offseason. Bravo! Bravo! I wish you knew that we are agreeing a heck of a lot on stuff over the last two years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Did you really think we were gonna be competitive with the Chiefs lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, taylor made said: Did you really think we were gonna be competitive with the Chiefs lol My $100 on Chiefs -6.5 would tell you, no, I did not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, taylor made said: Did you really think we were gonna be competitive with the Chiefs lol No but I expected us to be competitive with Jameis Winston. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostnote Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: Well the good news is that Jamin Davis played 56% of the snaps yesterday, which is what everyone in this forum and a lot of people on Twitter amongst beat reporters have been clamoring for all year. He didn’t have any splash plays but he did have 11 tackles & a QB hit and he looked faster out there and he looked like he knew what he was doing. Also, let’s be honest for LBs, most weeks nowadays they’re in coverage about 70% of the game so the splash plays we used to see decades ago vs the run from LBs are few and far between in todays NFL. It’s promising to me that Holcomb had 11 tackles, 1 sack, 1 pass defensed & 1 forced fumble while Jamin Davis had 11 tackles combined, 5 solo and 6 assisted and a 1 QB hit. I view that as a positive for our future, bc these two along with possibly Hudson at WLB or another LB we draft next year or in two years will be our core LBs. It seems that Jamin and especially Holcomb are making strides to becoming a good core to our D at Lb. For Davis, I dont want splash plays. I want productive plays. Quick to react and bring down a ball carrier. Personally, I think he fits better as a WLB in a 4-3, and I would love to have Cole as MLB and adding in a SLB. Really, idc so long as he continues to see more percentages of snap counts. A first round pick should be on the field at all times. if they are not, then you should not have had a first round grade on him. PERIOD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostnote Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: This is a ridiculous statement. The Ryan Fitzpatrick signing doesn't matter, he never mattered. You completely glossed over the team retaining Taylor Heinicke on a very team friendly 2 year $4.75 mil deal, and he's been the best QB we've had since Kirk Cousins. We traded nothing for this guy, didn't spend a single draft pick and have found a decent starting QB. That alone is worth its weigh in gold and you're not giving the credit due there. Charles Leno was signed for an extremely reasonable 1 year $5 mil deal. He's been adequate as a starter and an upgrade over what we had last year. We traded for LG Ereck Flowers by swapping late round picks, so pretty much nothing, and he's been a solid starter. The team extended starting Center Chase Roullier to a reasonable 4 year, $40.5 mil extension. Instead of giving RG Scherff a billion dollar extension, we franchise tagged him, which was the smart thing to do. We cut the declining Morgan Moses and replaced him with 2nd Round Pick Sam Cosmi, which by all reports has been an upgrade. WR Adam Humphries has been a low key nice addition as a slot WR, he has 15 receptions for 149 yards through 6 games. WR Dynami Brown seems to be a solid depth WR addition. TE Ricky Seales Jones seems to have not missed a beat when Logan Thomas got injured, he already has 12 receptions for 137 yards and a TD. Speaking of Logan Thomas, the team rewarded his hard effort with a 3 year, $24.065 mil extension this offseason. Its good to show the locker room if they work hard the organization will pay them. On defense, we let Ryan Kerrigan leave, who has 1 recorded tackle and no sacks for the Eagles. The Dline didn't need any tweaking, just some back fill depth. We went with the draft young cheap guys approach. Since the Dline has been struggling in hindsight it may have been better to bring in a vet who maybe could have dug them out of this hole. Or maybe that wouldn't have done anything either. Hard to judge. Linebacker was the teams biggest need on defense and we spent a first round pick on one. Not sure how you can complain about that. Judging a rookie linebacker 6 games into his career is ridiculous. Swapping out the more expensive William Jackson from Darby hasn't been a homerun, until you remember that Darby is on IR. I would argue the bigger problem with the CBs has been the regression of Fuller. They seemed to want to fix our slot CB problem by playing Jackson and rookie St Juste outside and moving Fuller in the slot. He has played terribly there. St Juste has had his struggles but he's a 3rd round rookie. Honestly its the Jamin Davis argument, let the rookie take his lumps it should pay dividends down the road. Also there just seems to be something really wrong with the defensive scheme because the players look confused out there all the time, but that's a different discussion than GM moves. They probably should have addressed the FS position but you can't fix everything in an offseason. They picked up McClain off waivers, and honestly he hasn't been that impressive. But we have nothing invested in this guy we can just move on. They inherited the awful Landon Collins contract and there's nothing they could have really done about that this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said: To me Rivera’s approach to this rebuild is very gradual. He puts a lot of faith in the guys we drafted and who are coaching them. When I hear him at his pressers there isn’t an urgency to fix this team all at once. I know we all want immediate changes/results but maybe that’s not the correct way to build this team back to where it should be. It is early in RR tenure and I’m trying to be positive that he is doing this the right way and trying to be hopeful of a very good outcome. And yet, he went full-bore to win a division last year, despite how much it would hurt us long term. You can be "it's a gradual process" and "omg we gotta win the division in Year 1!" Like I said. This team is schizophrenic. Are we rebuilding gradually? Or are we trying to win the division now? The 1st place schedule this year has done us no favors. And our bad luck getting the AFCW just tacked onto that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, Thaiphoon said: And yet, he went full-bore to win a division last year, despite hiw much it woukd hurt us long term. You can be "it's a gradual process" and "omg we gotta win the division in Year 1!" Like I said. This team is schizophrenic. Are we rebuilding gradually? Or are we trying to win the division now? The 1st place schedule this year has done us no favors. And our bad luck getting the AFCW just tacked onto that problem. He's rebuilding the roster and trying to win games. He's a Head Coach he's not going to tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: This is a ridiculous statement. The Ryan Fitzpatrick signing doesn't matter, he never mattered. You completely glossed over the team retaining Taylor Heinicke on a very team friendly 2 year $4.75 mil deal, and he's been the best QB we've had since Kirk Cousins. We traded nothing for this guy, didn't spend a single draft pick and have found a decent starting QB. That alone is worth its weigh in gold and you're not giving the credit due there. Charles Leno was signed for an extremely reasonable 1 year $5 mil deal. He's been adequate as a starter and an upgrade over what we had last year. We traded for LG Ereck Flowers by swapping late round picks, so pretty much nothing, and he's been a solid starter. The team extended starting Center Chase Roullier to a reasonable 4 year, $40.5 mil extension. Instead of giving RG Scherff a billion dollar extension, we franchise tagged him, which was the smart thing to do. We cut the declining Morgan Moses and replaced him with 2nd Round Pick Sam Cosmi, which by all reports has been an upgrade. WR Adam Humphries has been a low key nice addition as a slot WR, he has 15 receptions for 149 yards through 6 games. WR Dynami Brown seems to be a solid depth WR addition. TE Ricky Seales Jones seems to have not missed a beat when Logan Thomas got injured, he already has 12 receptions for 137 yards and a TD. Speaking of Logan Thomas, the team rewarded his hard effort with a 3 year, $24.065 mil extension this offseason. Its good to show the locker room if they work hard the organization will pay them. On defense, we let Ryan Kerrigan leave, who has 1 recorded tackle and no sacks for the Eagles. The Dline didn't need any tweaking, just some back fill depth. We went with the draft young cheap guys approach. Since the Dline has been struggling in hindsight it may have been better to bring in a vet who maybe could have dug them out of this hole. Or maybe that wouldn't have done anything either. Hard to judge. Linebacker was the teams biggest need on defense and we spent a first round pick on one. Not sure how you can complain about that. Judging a rookie linebacker 6 games into his career is ridiculous. Swapping out the more expensive William Jackson from Darby hasn't been a homerun, until you remember that Darby is on IR. I would argue the bigger problem with the CBs has been the regression of Fuller. They seemed to want to fix our slot CB problem by playing Jackson and rookie St Juste outside and moving Fuller in the slot. He has played terribly there. St Juste has had his struggles but he's a 3rd round rookie. Honestly its the Jamin Davis argument, let the rookie take his lumps it should pay dividends down the road. Also there just seems to be something really wrong with the defensive scheme because the players look confused out there all the time, but that's a different discussion than GM moves. They probably should have addressed the FS position but you can't fix everything in an offseason. They picked up McClain off waivers, and honestly he hasn't been that impressive. But we have nothing invested in this guy we can just move on. They inherited the awful Landon Collins contract and there's nothing they could have really done about that this offseason. -Ryan Fitzpatrick made it through like two series before he got hurt -WJ3 might be the worst corner in football right now. -Bobby McCain has been burnt all over the field. -They chose to trot Bostic back out there and leave Davis off of the field until Bostic got hurt. -While Landon Collins wasn’t their issue they chose to compound the problem by keeping him and continuing to play him 95% of the defensive plays. -Hopkins. -There’s no depth at all behind Young/Sweat. -Samuel has contributed nothing. I’m not really putting this on them though. -Bringing in Hurney/Mayhew and firing Kyle Smith for no reason. -Dyami Brown has 8 catches through 6 games. -Your slot receiver having 12 catches through 6 games in an offense that does nothing but throw the ball is not impressive. His best moves this off-season were Cosmi, RSJ and Leno. The rest of the draft has been pretty bad save for BSJ who really hasn’t been very good. I’m not expecting it to be rebuilt in two years but I figured the team would look better. Right now the offense is bad and the defense is worse. I’m not sure why I’m supposed to expect things to be better next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 We couldn't really cut Collins this year. The out is after this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: We couldn't really cut Collins this year. The out is after this year. I’d have to look up how much it was to cut him but between the buttload of cap space we had and the amount we could’ve saved by not tagging Scherff I would assume we could’ve released Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I’d have to look up how much it was to cut him but between the buttload of cap space we had and the amount we could’ve saved by not tagging Scherff I would assume we could’ve released Collins. Dead cap would be $26.9 million had we cut him this season. (Cap number is 16, so looks like net of almost $11). Dead cap next year is $9.6 million. So, am I reading your post right? Option A is cut Collins and not resign Scherff, or option B is keep Collins and tag Scherff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Ryan Fitzpatrick made it through like two series before he got hurt And? Who cares? 4 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -WJ3 might be the worst corner in football right now. I think this is a gross exaggeration, and IMO Fuller is worse than him. 4 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Bobby McCain has been burnt all over the field. I agree he isn't very good, but he was a band aid on a position I expect them to address this upcoming offseason. As I stated before, you can't fix everything in an offseason. 5 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -They chose to trot Bostic back out there and leave Davis off of the field until Bostic got hurt. That's a coaching decision not a GM decision. 5 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -While Landon Collins wasn’t their issue they chose to compound the problem by keeping him and continuing to play him 95% of the defensive plays. That's a coaching decision not a GM decision. 6 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Hopkins. If you really want to demand a GM get fired over a Kicker then have at it. 6 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -There’s no depth at all behind Young/Sweat. We drafted depth. They need time. 25 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Samuel has contributed nothing. I’m not really putting this on them though. Right, but we also added several new WRs which mitigated that. 26 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Bringing in Hurney/Mayhew and firing Kyle Smith for no reason. From all reports they are here to do the day to day admin stuff and don't have a lot of say over personnel. 26 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Dyami Brown has 8 catches through 6 games. Ya and he's just a rookie. 27 minutes ago, lavar703 said: -Your slot receiver having 12 catches through 6 games in an offense that does nothing but throw the ball is not impressive. I mean he's like the 4th option on offense, I don't really see that as bad. 28 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I’m not sure why I’m supposed to expect things to be better next year? How can you even say that without seeing the next offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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