incognito_man Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Norm said: That's what confuses me, they don't worry about the long term affects of what happens if you actually get it. It's a waste of energy to try to decipher. "The fact that the activity and movements of a stupid creature are absolutely erratic and irrational not only makes defense problematic but it also makes any counter-attack extremely difficult - like trying to shoot at an object which is capable of the most improbable and unimaginable movements. This is what both Dickens and Schiller had in mind when the former stated that "with stupidity and sound digestion man may front much" and the latter wrote that "against stupidity the very Gods fight in vain." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, FAH1223 said: That's what's so fascinating with both of them. Aaron seems very Libertarian. And sure, there may be a couple of overlap between an out and out dem socialist or lefty and a libertarian (im thinking being anti-war, civil liberties)... there's just not much else there. It's weird. I've got friends who grew up in Paradise (where Aaron is from). The population there is like an even split between Davis/Chico former-hippies and rural conservatives - who I can see coming across sometimes as libertarians (and without going into a TOS-violating tangent, that groupthink has done some pretty heavy diversion from what it started out as, particularly in the last 20 years), but tend to be more true independents that, of late, have gotten caught up in absolutely terrible messaging coming from both sides (and are generally predisposed to distrust anything outside the immediate community). Ultimately with Rodgers, I think his main issue is ego; he thinks he's smarter than he actually is (and in that regard and he Shailene are a match made in heaven). She does a ton of reading, but just because someone reads something doesn't mean they actually digest what the author's message is. Then again, I'm naturally suspicious of most people who say that "1984" changed their lives and I've never heard them mention any other Orwell work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, FAH1223 said: "I'm a critical thinker, I did my own research" "There's something to be said about natural immunity" that was a timely image. it shall be used in many memes now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Pat wanted to say some **** so bad when he said everything changed after the election 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAH1223 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Howler said: Politics are a sham CHECK The vaccines aren't overly effective against Covid CHECK 'One size fits all' medical decisions are a questionable approach. CHECK Pharmaceutical companies have inordinate influence in our society CHECK I think I'm starting to warm up to this #12 guy. Sounds like he doesn't watch much tv. I'll disagree with him on point 2. Vaccines are effective... in keeping folks out of the hospital and dying. And we've had more grandmas and grandpas be able to be protected vs. last year. I don't think anyone thinks that the vaccines are a cure all for being unhealthy. He did concede that point... the vaccines offer some protection but we don't know how long they last and of course now we have the chatter on boosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Norm said: Pat wanted to say some **** so bad when he said everything changed after the election That line was among the roughest out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: Then again, I'm naturally suspicious of most people who say that "1984" changed their lives and I've never heard them mention any other Orwell work. Timely reference. We've had several such misapplied 1984 references in here lately Edited November 5, 2021 by incognito_man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howler Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FAH1223 said: I'll disagree with him on point 2. Vaccines are effective... in keeping folks out of the hospital and dying. And we've had more grandmas and grandpas be able to be protected vs. last year. I don't think anyone thinks that the vaccines are a cure all for being unhealthy. He did concede that point... the vaccines offer some protection but we don't know how long they last and of course now we have the chatter on boosters. I think it helps mitigate the more deadly symptoms for the high risk cases with comorbidities. But it was definitely oversold by the CDC numerous times. They sold this particular mRNA vaccine class as the last stop for Covid prevention, when it's not entirely true. Edited November 5, 2021 by Howler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Because it's just the flu, duh. This is the stuff that I always found amusing, considering the common cold is actually a Corona virus, why it was that the play-it-downers never tried to just call it a cold? Also, didn't you have it, dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Didn't you have Covid bad like I did if I recall? They took 15k of my money, told me they couldn't help me and basically if I started dying to call them back. THAT'S the correct way to treat it? Please. I'll be paying that **** off the for YEARS and they did nothing for me. I went home and suffered. Don't know if Ivermectin works, don't know if any of them work. Not going to tell anyone to take them. Can tell you the ones they are most vehemently against are the cheapest ones. I had a friend who begged and got a Remdesivir treatment, and on top of the cost of the meds, they force you to stay in the hospital over the course of the dosage, racking up even more bills. I'm family friends with a high up doc in the Aurora system, out of my network so I can't use him, but he told me all they needed was a chest X-ray and to prescribe me an inhaler. The healthcare system is about profits, not treatment. (I'm talking very top of the food chain here before someone gets offended, I have wonderful friends and family in the healthcare field and I'm sure there are wonderful people here who are as well). Some eye opening documentaries I've watched about how everyone was misled about painkillers when they hit the market, I'm glad Aaron spoke up here as I personally don't believe in everything we're being told and don't have a platform like him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Dr LBC said: This is the stuff that I always found amusing, considering the common cold is actually a Corona virus, why it was that the play-it-downers never tried to just call it a cold? Also, didn't you have it, dude? Yes, I'm obviously being sarcastic lol. I'm even boosted up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Timely reference. We've had several such misapplied 1984 references in here lately Just my guess, but probably by folks that have never bothered to "do their own research" into who Orwell was and what he believed - which was very much influential on his work. It's as much of a favorite of mine as the people that quote a single line from MLK's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" or "I Have a Dream" without ever having read the entirety of the former, or King's other writings, speeches, and advocacies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Didn't you have Covid bad like I did if I recall? They took 15k of my money, told me they couldn't help me and basically if I started dying to call them back. THAT'S the correct way to treat it? Please. I'll be paying that **** off the for YEARS and they did nothing for me. I went home and suffered. Don't know if Ivermectin works, don't know if any of them work. Not going to tell anyone to take them. Can tell you the ones they are most vehemently against are the cheapest ones. I had a friend who begged and got a Remdesivir treatment, and on top of the cost of the meds, they force you to stay in the hospital over the course of the dosage, racking up even more bills. I'm family friends with a high up doc in the Aurora system, out of my network so I can't use him, but he told me all they needed was a chest X-ray and to prescribe me an inhaler. The healthcare system is about profits, not treatment. (I'm talking very top of the food chain here before someone gets offended, I have wonderful friends and family in the healthcare field and I'm sure there are wonderful people here who are as well). Some eye opening documentaries I've watched about how everyone was misled about painkillers when they hit the market, I'm glad Aaron spoke up here as I personally don't believe in everything we're being told and don't have a platform like him. Yes, I did. I also got vaccinated as soon as I was able to. Literally the first day the initial dose was available to me and then the very first day the booster was available. Guess I'm just a stooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: It's weird. I've got friends who grew up in Paradise (where Aaron is from). The population there is like an even split between Davis/Chico former-hippies and rural conservatives - who I can see coming across sometimes as libertarians (and without going into a TOS-violating tangent, that groupthink has done some pretty heavy diversion from what it started out as, particularly in the last 20 years), but tend to be more true independents that, of late, have gotten caught up in absolutely terrible messaging coming from both sides (and are generally predisposed to distrust anything outside the immediate community). Ultimately with Rodgers, I think his main issue is ego; he thinks he's smarter than he actually is (and in that regard and he Shailene are a match made in heaven). She does a ton of reading, but just because someone reads something doesn't mean they actually digest what the author's message is. Then again, I'm naturally suspicious of most people who say that "1984" changed their lives and I've never heard them mention any other Orwell work. i think it is debatable if he has done a ton of reading, he definitely had a lot of papers printed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, FAH1223 said: I'll disagree with him on point 2. Vaccines are effective... in keeping folks out of the hospital and dying. And we've had more grandmas and grandpas be able to be protected vs. last year. I don't think anyone thinks that the vaccines are a cure all for being unhealthy. He did concede that point... the vaccines offer some protection but we don't know how long they last and of course now we have the chatter on boosters. People who are dumber than they realize cannot comprehend that vaccines are literally made for the masses. They are not, and never were, meant to be THEEE BEST prevention/treatment/whatever against anything. They are very literally the bare minimum baseline we can provide to EVERYONE. It's so sad and so pathetic that these galaxy-brain idiots then FIGHT AGAINST this baseline protection which then leads to ineffectualness. These people think they are SO SMART for finding a maybe slightly better way to prevent it or whatever for their unique case - that has no real value on a mass scale. It has and always will be a combination of the best and most efficient deployment of science. There are obvious economic concerns. We humans could pour ALL of our energy/resources into these galaxy-brained ideas that very well might be better - or some combination of them might be better. And they celebrate themselves thinking they're geniuses because they are one-step ahead of the CDC or something - when the real thinkers out there understand how short they've fallen to actual intelligence. Edited November 5, 2021 by incognito_man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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