Slappy Mc Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Forge said: Me Forge Me again Forge again Slappy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Orca Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, squire12 said: @The Orca why leave out the direct post that forge quoted DrDoom? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm Dooku. Just vote me. You know you're not going to get anything additional out of me with regards to that. Shgrt didn’t see that coming 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm Dooku. Just vote me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whicker Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I think we’ve had about 4 useful day 1s in a row now so let’s cut this day 1s are useless narrative @bcb1213 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Whicker said: I think we’ve had about 4 useful day 1s in a row now so let’s cut this day 1s are useless narrative @bcb1213 I never said they were useless. Just that I always die by day three so idc enough to read them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Whicker said: I think we’ve had about 4 useful day 1s in a row now so let’s cut this day 1s are useless narrative @bcb1213 I agree, but these last two, assuming forge is Count Dookie, have been handed to us essentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Whicker said: I think we’ve had about 4 useful day 1s in a row now so let’s cut this day 1s are useless narrative @bcb1213 In fairness, Matts just messed up and I was irritated and grumpy. I get what you're saying, but more often than not, day 1's are pretty useless info wise. If I don't blow up, the votes are completely different right now and we likely don't have any good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Whicker said: There is absolutely nothing that will move me from putting Menace on the bottom. I don't watch a ton of movies, but it is arguably the worst movie I've ever seen. Who is the protagonist of The Phantom Menace? I think most would say Anakin, but we don't meet him until 45 minutes into the movie, and he has no real agency or stock or even comprehension of what's going on. He's just a kid who's a long for the ride. Obi-Wan is stuck on a ship complaining during an entire planet's events. Qui-Gon has no actual story arc. Speaking of Qui-Gon, what is even his role in the movie? If Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn were fused together into one character known as Obi-Wan Kenobi, what would have actually changed? What was the purpose of Qui-Gon's death? To convince Obi-Wan to train Anakin? They already had the shoe-horned in midichlorian story to explain why Anakin needed to be trained. Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain Menace is the ONLY Star Wars media of any kind that mentions midichlorians. Since there is no actual protagonist of this story, they had to go full circle and not include any actual antagonist. Who is the antagonist? The Trade Federation? Viceroy Gunray? What even is the plot of The Phantom Menace? A trade blockade is keeping Naboo from getting any trade. So what? Are they unable to grow food on Naboo? Does it not have water? Two Jedi Knights (they're knights in the scrolling screen backstory even though Obi-Wan isn't promoted to Knight until the end of Menace) are sent to negotiate with the Trade Federation? Why? Is that what Jedis do now? And because Coruscant sent Jedi they decide to kill them? Why? Why not just send them home and escalate Palpatine's plan? And in order to kill them they pump in visible gas? And the Jedi then hold their breath but don't use their sabers to cut out of the room which is something they demonstrate later that they can do, but instead they are saved because some guy thought "they should be dead by now, destroy what's left of them" (what does that even mean??????????) and opens the door. Then they decide to go down with the army that's invading Naboo in order to warn Naboo about that same army (how does this work exactly???). And that army apparently lands on the opposite side of the planet, so what was the Jedi plan? Run all the way there faster than the army? Did they expect to find a Gungan that would lead them to his city and then they could use their Jedi powers to manipulate him into giving them a ship to go through the planet core? Which, outside of pushing useless battle droids, our first introduction to the "good" that is the Force is Qui-Gon using it to manipulate innocents to get what he wants. Also, why do the Gungan and the Naboo have a symbiotic relationship when they are on the literal opposite sides of the planet from one another? Also also, how do the Jedi even know about the droid invasion and how it will affect the Gungans? All they know at this point is that they were sent to negotiate with the trade federation about the trade blockade. Okay so the Jedi rescue the Naboo (which is apparently just a bunch of military guys, despite being a allegedly peaceful people with no army we never once see a civilian Naboo) and get on a ship to leave. They have to fly through the blockade though which is like... supposed to keep ships from flying through. But don't worry they have a shield generator that R2-D2 fixes and as soon as that's fixed all the tension is relieved like "oh of course we can make it through a naval blockade as long as we have a shield. Glad other trade ships don't realize that." This scene also brought us the famous "sitting ducks" line which means it is the only Star Wars movie to introduce two things (midichlorians and ducks) that are never seen or mentioned again. So then R2-D2 does his job while other droids are also destroyed doing the same thing but nothing emotional for them. But no R2-D2 gets to literally be brought up to the Queen and personally thanked. And then the actual Queen is ordered to go clean him. What? What is the point of thanking droids? Did they thank the ship too? So then they go to Tatooine and despite wanting to avoid any and all suspicion, Qui-Gon decides to take the blubbering idiot, the slow-moving droid, and an attractive young girl with him instead of his able-bodied partner into the desert. He then tries to manipulate Wattoo into selling him a part for useless money (our second glimpse of the "good" nature of the Force) and then uses it again to manipulate a perfectly fair bet into his favor (The Force looking really good here). I guess the idea here is that we're supposed to percevie Wattoo as a "bad guy" because he owns slaves I guess? Even though the movie does nothing to demonize slavery or even make it clear they're slaves. There's no chains/beatings. Anakin and his mom live comfortably in their own house and apparently can have their own hobbies and lives, they just can't leave the planet or else their head will explode. The fact that Anakin built C-3PO is absolutely ridiculous. He says he built him to help his mom around the house, but C-3PO himself admits in later movies that he can't do much besides translate. Does his mom need a translator in the house? Also, why in the entire world does he say "Human Cyborg Relations" when he was built as a house servant? Why did Anakin decide to build his own droid but it end up being the same as a droid that's clearly mass produced in the Star Wars universe? So then we get back to Naboo. The blockade is down to a single ship now which is super convenient? We've now decided that Viceroy Gunray is the true antgaonist so we decide to hunt him down and capture him and then it'll be over? I guess as long as Anakin accidentally destroys the blockade ship? The Jedi certainly have to be victorious in the battle against Darth Maul as well. Wait? Who is that again and what purpose does he serve? Don't forget about the Gungans too and their battle against the Droids. There are somehow four different stories going on at one time at the ending, and the only one that carries any actual interest is the one that is least related to the actual story. Yep, [whicker] lock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 VC Forge - 8 - DrDoomIQ, The Orca, [Pickle Rick], Jlash, AFlaccoSeagulls, bcb1213, MWil23, Tugboat Slappy Mc - 3 - squire12, JoshstraDaymus, Daboyle Glen - 3 - gopherwrestler, Raves, 11sanchez11 Pickle Rick - 1 - [Forge] 11sanchez11 - 1 - wolfeyestrk Malfatron - 1 - Slappy Mc Matts4313 - 1 - Glen Daboyle - 1 - Whicker JoshstraDaymus - 1 - kingseanjohn Whicker - 1 - [RuskieTitan] Tugboat - 1 - Tk3 Yet to vote: Malfatron, Matts4313, Danger, RandyMossIsBoss Around 3 hours, 30 minutes left in the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Some good information sprinkled in so far. Tonight will tell more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Lol I love Ruskie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Whicker said: There is absolutely nothing that will move me from putting Menace on the bottom. I don't watch a ton of movies, but it is arguably the worst movie I've ever seen. Who is the protagonist of The Phantom Menace? I think most would say Anakin, but we don't meet him until 45 minutes into the movie, and he has no real agency or stock or even comprehension of what's going on. He's just a kid who's a long for the ride. Obi-Wan is stuck on a ship complaining during an entire planet's events. Qui-Gon has no actual story arc. Speaking of Qui-Gon, what is even his role in the movie? If Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn were fused together into one character known as Obi-Wan Kenobi, what would have actually changed? What was the purpose of Qui-Gon's death? To convince Obi-Wan to train Anakin? They already had the shoe-horned in midichlorian story to explain why Anakin needed to be trained. Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain Menace is the ONLY Star Wars media of any kind that mentions midichlorians. Since there is no actual protagonist of this story, they had to go full circle and not include any actual antagonist. Who is the antagonist? The Trade Federation? Viceroy Gunray? What even is the plot of The Phantom Menace? A trade blockade is keeping Naboo from getting any trade. So what? Are they unable to grow food on Naboo? Does it not have water? Two Jedi Knights (they're knights in the scrolling screen backstory even though Obi-Wan isn't promoted to Knight until the end of Menace) are sent to negotiate with the Trade Federation? Why? Is that what Jedis do now? And because Coruscant sent Jedi they decide to kill them? Why? Why not just send them home and escalate Palpatine's plan? And in order to kill them they pump in visible gas? And the Jedi then hold their breath but don't use their sabers to cut out of the room which is something they demonstrate later that they can do, but instead they are saved because some guy thought "they should be dead by now, destroy what's left of them" (what does that even mean??????????) and opens the door. Then they decide to go down with the army that's invading Naboo in order to warn Naboo about that same army (how does this work exactly???). And that army apparently lands on the opposite side of the planet, so what was the Jedi plan? Run all the way there faster than the army? Did they expect to find a Gungan that would lead them to his city and then they could use their Jedi powers to manipulate him into giving them a ship to go through the planet core? Which, outside of pushing useless battle droids, our first introduction to the "good" that is the Force is Qui-Gon using it to manipulate innocents to get what he wants. Also, why do the Gungan and the Naboo have a symbiotic relationship when they are on the literal opposite sides of the planet from one another? Also also, how do the Jedi even know about the droid invasion and how it will affect the Gungans? All they know at this point is that they were sent to negotiate with the trade federation about the trade blockade. Okay so the Jedi rescue the Naboo (which is apparently just a bunch of military guys, despite being a allegedly peaceful people with no army we never once see a civilian Naboo) and get on a ship to leave. They have to fly through the blockade though which is like... supposed to keep ships from flying through. But don't worry they have a shield generator that R2-D2 fixes and as soon as that's fixed all the tension is relieved like "oh of course we can make it through a naval blockade as long as we have a shield. Glad other trade ships don't realize that." This scene also brought us the famous "sitting ducks" line which means it is the only Star Wars movie to introduce two things (midichlorians and ducks) that are never seen or mentioned again. So then R2-D2 does his job while other droids are also destroyed doing the same thing but nothing emotional for them. But no R2-D2 gets to literally be brought up to the Queen and personally thanked. And then the actual Queen is ordered to go clean him. What? What is the point of thanking droids? Did they thank the ship too? So then they go to Tatooine and despite wanting to avoid any and all suspicion, Qui-Gon decides to take the blubbering idiot, the slow-moving droid, and an attractive young girl with him instead of his able-bodied partner into the desert. He then tries to manipulate Wattoo into selling him a part for useless money (our second glimpse of the "good" nature of the Force) and then uses it again to manipulate a perfectly fair bet into his favor (The Force looking really good here). I guess the idea here is that we're supposed to percevie Wattoo as a "bad guy" because he owns slaves I guess? Even though the movie does nothing to demonize slavery or even make it clear they're slaves. There's no chains/beatings. Anakin and his mom live comfortably in their own house and apparently can have their own hobbies and lives, they just can't leave the planet or else their head will explode. The fact that Anakin built C-3PO is absolutely ridiculous. He says he built him to help his mom around the house, but C-3PO himself admits in later movies that he can't do much besides translate. Does his mom need a translator in the house? Also, why in the entire world does he say "Human Cyborg Relations" when he was built as a house servant? Why did Anakin decide to build his own droid but it end up being the same as a droid that's clearly mass produced in the Star Wars universe? So then we get back to Naboo. The blockade is down to a single ship now which is super convenient? We've now decided that Viceroy Gunray is the true antgaonist so we decide to hunt him down and capture him and then it'll be over? I guess as long as Anakin accidentally destroys the blockade ship? The Jedi certainly have to be victorious in the battle against Darth Maul as well. Wait? Who is that again and what purpose does he serve? Don't forget about the Gungans too and their battle against the Droids. There are somehow four different stories going on at one time at the ending, and the only one that carries any actual interest is the one that is least related to the actual story. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daboyle Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Whicker said: There is absolutely nothing that will move me from putting Menace on the bottom. I don't watch a ton of movies, but it is arguably the worst movie I've ever seen. Who is the protagonist of The Phantom Menace? I think most would say Anakin, but we don't meet him until 45 minutes into the movie, and he has no real agency or stock or even comprehension of what's going on. He's just a kid who's a long for the ride. Obi-Wan is stuck on a ship complaining during an entire planet's events. Qui-Gon has no actual story arc. Speaking of Qui-Gon, what is even his role in the movie? If Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn were fused together into one character known as Obi-Wan Kenobi, what would have actually changed? What was the purpose of Qui-Gon's death? To convince Obi-Wan to train Anakin? They already had the shoe-horned in midichlorian story to explain why Anakin needed to be trained. Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain Menace is the ONLY Star Wars media of any kind that mentions midichlorians. Since there is no actual protagonist of this story, they had to go full circle and not include any actual antagonist. Who is the antagonist? The Trade Federation? Viceroy Gunray? What even is the plot of The Phantom Menace? A trade blockade is keeping Naboo from getting any trade. So what? Are they unable to grow food on Naboo? Does it not have water? Two Jedi Knights (they're knights in the scrolling screen backstory even though Obi-Wan isn't promoted to Knight until the end of Menace) are sent to negotiate with the Trade Federation? Why? Is that what Jedis do now? And because Coruscant sent Jedi they decide to kill them? Why? Why not just send them home and escalate Palpatine's plan? And in order to kill them they pump in visible gas? And the Jedi then hold their breath but don't use their sabers to cut out of the room which is something they demonstrate later that they can do, but instead they are saved because some guy thought "they should be dead by now, destroy what's left of them" (what does that even mean??????????) and opens the door. Then they decide to go down with the army that's invading Naboo in order to warn Naboo about that same army (how does this work exactly???). And that army apparently lands on the opposite side of the planet, so what was the Jedi plan? Run all the way there faster than the army? Did they expect to find a Gungan that would lead them to his city and then they could use their Jedi powers to manipulate him into giving them a ship to go through the planet core? Which, outside of pushing useless battle droids, our first introduction to the "good" that is the Force is Qui-Gon using it to manipulate innocents to get what he wants. Also, why do the Gungan and the Naboo have a symbiotic relationship when they are on the literal opposite sides of the planet from one another? Also also, how do the Jedi even know about the droid invasion and how it will affect the Gungans? All they know at this point is that they were sent to negotiate with the trade federation about the trade blockade. Okay so the Jedi rescue the Naboo (which is apparently just a bunch of military guys, despite being a allegedly peaceful people with no army we never once see a civilian Naboo) and get on a ship to leave. They have to fly through the blockade though which is like... supposed to keep ships from flying through. But don't worry they have a shield generator that R2-D2 fixes and as soon as that's fixed all the tension is relieved like "oh of course we can make it through a naval blockade as long as we have a shield. Glad other trade ships don't realize that." This scene also brought us the famous "sitting ducks" line which means it is the only Star Wars movie to introduce two things (midichlorians and ducks) that are never seen or mentioned again. So then R2-D2 does his job while other droids are also destroyed doing the same thing but nothing emotional for them. But no R2-D2 gets to literally be brought up to the Queen and personally thanked. And then the actual Queen is ordered to go clean him. What? What is the point of thanking droids? Did they thank the ship too? So then they go to Tatooine and despite wanting to avoid any and all suspicion, Qui-Gon decides to take the blubbering idiot, the slow-moving droid, and an attractive young girl with him instead of his able-bodied partner into the desert. He then tries to manipulate Wattoo into selling him a part for useless money (our second glimpse of the "good" nature of the Force) and then uses it again to manipulate a perfectly fair bet into his favor (The Force looking really good here). I guess the idea here is that we're supposed to percevie Wattoo as a "bad guy" because he owns slaves I guess? Even though the movie does nothing to demonize slavery or even make it clear they're slaves. There's no chains/beatings. Anakin and his mom live comfortably in their own house and apparently can have their own hobbies and lives, they just can't leave the planet or else their head will explode. The fact that Anakin built C-3PO is absolutely ridiculous. He says he built him to help his mom around the house, but C-3PO himself admits in later movies that he can't do much besides translate. Does his mom need a translator in the house? Also, why in the entire world does he say "Human Cyborg Relations" when he was built as a house servant? Why did Anakin decide to build his own droid but it end up being the same as a droid that's clearly mass produced in the Star Wars universe? So then we get back to Naboo. The blockade is down to a single ship now which is super convenient? We've now decided that Viceroy Gunray is the true antgaonist so we decide to hunt him down and capture him and then it'll be over? I guess as long as Anakin accidentally destroys the blockade ship? The Jedi certainly have to be victorious in the battle against Darth Maul as well. Wait? Who is that again and what purpose does he serve? Don't forget about the Gungans too and their battle against the Droids. There are somehow four different stories going on at one time at the ending, and the only one that carries any actual interest is the one that is least related to the actual story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm Dooku. Just vote me. You know you're not going to get anything additional out of me with regards to that. So dooku or Mas Amadeus?? Gonna leave the autocorrect for the fun of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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