RaidersAreOne Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, TheRealMcCoy said: You must not have watched much Cowboys. Cooper has been great for Dallas. The fact they don’t get him the ball more is a travesty. But, yeah he’s not the most durable receiver out there. I most definitely didn't watch them religiously but I semi kept tabs on Coop. He's always had the ability no doubt about it. It's the consistency, durability and drive that hold him back. "Box score scouting" at it's finest but his game logs prove my point about how wildly up and down he was last year: Receiving Scoring Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Rk Date G# Week Age Tm Opp Result GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Status 15 Games 12-3-0 104 68 865 12.72 8 65.4% 8.32 8 48 1 0 0 1 -6 0 1 2021-09-09 1 1 27.084 DAL @ TAM L 29-31 * 17 13 139 10.69 2 76.5% 8.18 2 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 88% 0 0% 0 0% 2 2021-09-19 2 2 27.094 DAL @ LAC W 20-17 * 5 3 24 8.00 0 60.0% 4.80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 97% 0 0% 0 0% 3 2021-09-27 3 3 27.102 DAL PHI W 41-21 * 4 3 26 8.67 0 75.0% 6.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 86% 0 0% 0 0% 4 2021-10-03 4 4 27.108 DAL CAR W 36-28 * 3 3 69 23.00 1 100.0% 23.00 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 48% 0 0% 0 0% 5 2021-10-10 5 5 27.115 DAL NYG W 44-20 * 6 3 60 20.00 1 50.0% 10.00 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 73% 0 0% 0 0% 6 2021-10-17 6 6 27.122 DAL @ NWE W 35-29 * 8 5 55 11.00 0 62.5% 6.88 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 88% 0 0% 0 0% 7 2021-10-31 7 8 27.136 DAL @ MIN W 20-16 * 13 8 122 15.25 1 61.5% 9.38 1 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 63 86% 0 0% 0 0% 8 2021-11-07 8 9 27.143 DAL DEN L 16-30 * 5 2 37 18.50 0 40.0% 7.40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 58% 0 0% 0 0% 9 2021-11-14 9 10 27.150 DAL ATL W 43-3 * 4 4 51 12.75 0 100.0% 12.75 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51 66% 0 0% 0 0% 10 2021-11-21 10 11 DAL @ KAN L 9-19 Did Not Play 11 2021-11-25 11 12 DAL LVR L 33-36 Did Not Play 12 2021-12-02 12 13 27.168 DAL @ NOR W 27-17 2 2 41 20.50 0 100.0% 20.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 34% 0 0% 0 0% 13 2021-12-12 13 14 27.178 DAL @ WAS W 27-20 * 7 5 51 10.20 1 71.4% 7.29 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 75 88% 0 0% 0 0% 14 2021-12-19 14 15 27.185 DAL @ NYG W 21-6 * 5 2 8 4.00 0 40.0% 1.60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 66 93% 0 0% 0 0% 15 2021-12-26 15 16 27.192 DAL WAS W 56-14 * 11 7 85 12.14 1 63.6% 7.73 1 6 0 0 0 1 -6 0 52 71% 0 0% 0 0% 16 2022-01-02 16 17 27.199 DAL ARI L 22-25 * 7 3 18 6.00 1 42.9% 2.57 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 91% 0 0% 0 0% 17 2022-01-08 17 18 27.205 DAL @ PHI W 51-26 * 7 5 79 15.80 0 71.4% 11.29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 46 74% 0 0% 0 0% That is not production as a #1 WR, especially one with THAT contract. I am trying my best not to look like a bitter Raider fan because I loved the Coop selection but man did he ever get old quickly for us, and seeing the fact Dallas may outright release him after only a couple years/seeing comments from Cowboys fans over the years sounds like nothing has changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ty21 said: Does this mean they’re going to try to retain Gallup? Possibly yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: You must not have watched much Cowboys. Cooper has been great for Dallas. The fact they don’t get him the ball more is a travesty. But, yeah he’s not the most durable receiver out there. Yeah, middle of the road WR isn’t what Coop is at all imo. He has his shortcomings/flaws, but he could help out a lot of teams in a big way. Somehow only 27 still. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, .Buzz said: Yeah, middle of the road WR isn’t what Coop is at all imo. He has his shortcomings/flaws, but he could help out a lot of teams in a big way. Somehow only 27 still. Again his ability it likely a top 5 WR. His career to this point however has been a disappointment. Likely going to be on team #3 and like you said only 27. I hope whoever gets him doesn't back up the brinks truck for him is all and we get a Dallas situation 2.0. I hope he does well tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Like, if you're Jax...with a ton of money and a bad need at the receiver position... you're legitimately just not going to give up anything for Cooper before he's cut and run the risk that he'll just sign elsewhere? That's nearly as bad as Dallas just outright cutting the guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, RaidersAreOne said: I most definitely didn't watch them religiously but I semi kept tabs on Coop. He's always had the ability no doubt about it. It's the consistency, durability and drive that hold him back. "Box score scouting" at it's finest but his game logs prove my point about how wildly up and down he was last year: Receiving Scoring Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Rk Date G# Week Age Tm Opp Result GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Status 15 Games 12-3-0 104 68 865 12.72 8 65.4% 8.32 8 48 1 0 0 1 -6 0 1 2021-09-09 1 1 27.084 DAL @ TAM L 29-31 * 17 13 139 10.69 2 76.5% 8.18 2 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 88% 0 0% 0 0% 2 2021-09-19 2 2 27.094 DAL @ LAC W 20-17 * 5 3 24 8.00 0 60.0% 4.80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 97% 0 0% 0 0% 3 2021-09-27 3 3 27.102 DAL PHI W 41-21 * 4 3 26 8.67 0 75.0% 6.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 86% 0 0% 0 0% 4 2021-10-03 4 4 27.108 DAL CAR W 36-28 * 3 3 69 23.00 1 100.0% 23.00 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 48% 0 0% 0 0% 5 2021-10-10 5 5 27.115 DAL NYG W 44-20 * 6 3 60 20.00 1 50.0% 10.00 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 73% 0 0% 0 0% 6 2021-10-17 6 6 27.122 DAL @ NWE W 35-29 * 8 5 55 11.00 0 62.5% 6.88 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 78 88% 0 0% 0 0% 7 2021-10-31 7 8 27.136 DAL @ MIN W 20-16 * 13 8 122 15.25 1 61.5% 9.38 1 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 63 86% 0 0% 0 0% 8 2021-11-07 8 9 27.143 DAL DEN L 16-30 * 5 2 37 18.50 0 40.0% 7.40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 58% 0 0% 0 0% 9 2021-11-14 9 10 27.150 DAL ATL W 43-3 * 4 4 51 12.75 0 100.0% 12.75 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51 66% 0 0% 0 0% 10 2021-11-21 10 11 DAL @ KAN L 9-19 Did Not Play 11 2021-11-25 11 12 DAL LVR L 33-36 Did Not Play 12 2021-12-02 12 13 27.168 DAL @ NOR W 27-17 2 2 41 20.50 0 100.0% 20.50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 34% 0 0% 0 0% 13 2021-12-12 13 14 27.178 DAL @ WAS W 27-20 * 7 5 51 10.20 1 71.4% 7.29 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 75 88% 0 0% 0 0% 14 2021-12-19 14 15 27.185 DAL @ NYG W 21-6 * 5 2 8 4.00 0 40.0% 1.60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 66 93% 0 0% 0 0% 15 2021-12-26 15 16 27.192 DAL WAS W 56-14 * 11 7 85 12.14 1 63.6% 7.73 1 6 0 0 0 1 -6 0 52 71% 0 0% 0 0% 16 2022-01-02 16 17 27.199 DAL ARI L 22-25 * 7 3 18 6.00 1 42.9% 2.57 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 91% 0 0% 0 0% 17 2022-01-08 17 18 27.205 DAL @ PHI W 51-26 * 7 5 79 15.80 0 71.4% 11.29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 46 74% 0 0% 0 0% That is not production as a #1 WR, especially one with THAT contract. I am trying my best not to look like a bitter Raider fan because I loved the Coop selection but man did he ever get old quickly for us, and seeing the fact Dallas may outright release him after only a couple years/seeing comments from Cowboys fans over the years sounds like nothing has changed. I’m on my phone so those stats posted all weird, but I don’t really care about numbers when it comes to Coop, especially this year. I watched enough Cowboys to know how great he was at doing his job as a receiver. I understand the gripes with him in his final year or two with the Raiders, but he hasn’t really had those drop issues much since coming to Dallas. He’s also been great for the younger guys. Often saw him coaching up Lamb and younger guys in camp. He played a huge role in getting Dak back on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Again his ability it likely a top 5 WR. His career to this point however has been a disappointment. Likely going to be on team #3 and like you said only 27. I hope whoever gets him doesn't back up the brinks truck for him is all and we get a Dallas situation 2.0. I hope he does well tbh. I’m not sure what he’s doing/has done in Dallas points to him being a negative? Edit: I mean I guess he was making a little more than ideal. He isn’t on that elite/top handful of guys level, but he’s still a fringe #1 type who you’re comfortable topping the depth chart with other competent pieces around him imo. Maybe it’s because he didn’t live up to your expectations I guess, but that’s still very valuable and something a ton of teams could use. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 The only way this would make sense is if signing Gallup is much less expensive, but I have a feeling they will overpay for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Yeah, middle of the road WR isn’t what Coop is at all imo. Dude is easily one of the best route runners in the league. Durability is obviously a real thing, but the talent isn’t a question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Big yikes here too ^^. What in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Big yikes here too ^^. What in the world. If that’s true, there is no defending that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: 39 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Coop is such an inconsistent, soft, beta dude. Just doesn't have that edge to him to make him truly a stud #1. He'll go off one week and everyone will think he's a stud, then he'll drop a few passes the next week and be invisible. Oakland fell for it, Dalls fell for it and now another team will fool themselves into giving him top end money for a middle of the pack WR. You must not have watched much Cowboys. Cooper has been great for Dallas. The fact they don’t get him the ball more is a travesty. But, yeah he’s not the most durable receiver out there. Nah, Raidersareone pretty much nailed it perfectly. Which is why he got labeled "soft as Charmin" ~2 years ago by @DaBoys. Its a perfectly apt description. Look no further than the "win and your in" game against you guys in 2019. He got credited with like 3 drops, but I swear to god it was more like 10. Dak had broken fingers on each hand and a torn shoulder, you expect playmakers to step up. Amari never stepped up. The dude has a long history of disappearing on the road and having extremely inconsistent hands. But he is an elite route runner. That shouldnt be over looked. I would venture to guess he is top 3 route runner in the NFL. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 34 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Somehow only 27 still. How does he do it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTTRUTH Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 41 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I feel like you’ll likely be wrong. There have been rumblings of this for a while now out there from the Dallas media. The Cowboys effectively killed any chance at a trade by not keeping their mouths shut. I think the contract killed any chance at a trade. Not to mention it's considered yet another strong draft class at WR. So likely all teams figure they'll pay an FA when the time comes, or simply spend a top 64 pick helping the position. No point giving away assets just to take on that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) For those who care, his target quality rating was 18th, his true catch rating was 63. That delta suggest he wasnt living up to his potential. Additionally, Daks "true accuracy" (excludes things like throwaways) was #4 in the NFL, but Cooper was ranked 36th in separation, meaning he wasnt getting open: TARGET ACCURACY YARDS PER RECEPTION YARDS PER TARGET YARDS PER ROUTE RUN CATCHABLE TARGET RATE TARGET QUALITY RATING CATCH RATE TRUE CATCH RATE 7.3 12.7 8.4 1.90 79.6% (82 tgts) 6.34 66.0% 82.9% #47 #55 #41 #38 #31 #18 #43 #63 Edited March 4, 2022 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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