wackywabbit Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: No way the Steelers are that close to winning the AFCN compared to any team in the West I disagree. The Steelers made back to back playoffs (including a 1st place finish) with ancient Ben, so they could easily recreate that. It's not like they need to find a Russel Wilson trade to go back to that level. The gap between the Chiefs and any other team in the AFC West is greater than the gap between any two teams of your choice in the AFC North in my opinion. Baker going back to slightly below average could win the division more easily than I see the Chiefs collapsing. Edited March 9, 2022 by wackywabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Ty21 said: 3 1st’s? Yeah but last year they threw away 2 1st round picks for Jamal Adams. • And so far my Jets have drafted a beast Franchise Cornerstone LG in All-Rookie Alijah Vera-Tucker with one of their 1st round (2021) picks. • And now in 2022 we have their 10th overall pick of the 1st round. Seattle didn't come out on top (as so many are claiming) They only gained 1 extra 1st round pick because fans are already forgetting how Seattle completely pissed away two 1st round picks to my Jets (just last year). And now they've completely lost a future HOF QB @ only 33 years old in Russell Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I'm not going to lie...I'm disappointed. This would have been hilarious if he had vetoed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: Ravens finished in last place I'm aware. They also had their 6th string secondary in by the end of the season. and the Steelers as of right now will trot out Rudolph for 16 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: I disagree. The Steelers made back to back playoffs (including a 1st place finish) with ancient Ben, so they could easily recreate that. It's not like they need to find a Russel Wilson trade to go back to that level. The gap between the Chiefs and any other team in the AFC West is greater than the gap between any two teams of your choice in the AFC North in my opinion. Baker going back to slightly below average could win the division more easily than I see the Chiefs collapsing. Raiders and Chargers have shown that the Chiefs are mortal. Came down to week 17 to see them win the title if I'm not mistaken. Then in week 18 it was to play for the WC spot Edited March 9, 2022 by BullsandBroncos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, FrantikRam said: It is absolutely wild that you're arguing that Patrick is better than Metcalf It is absolutely wild that you're not reading what I'm posting. I'll even do you one better, I'll even show you what I said. Quote Do I think Metcalf is more talented then Patrick? Absolutely, but I don't think the gap is all that big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: I'm aware. They also had their 6th string secondary in by the end of the season. and the Steelers as of right now will trot out Rudolph for 16 games It's dependent upon them upgrading that position - but with Jimmy G who could easily be had, they could be right there with the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: It is absolutely wild that you're not reading what I'm posting. I'll even do you one better, I'll even show you what I said. Solid point. I'll amend my statement. It's absolutely wild that you don't think the gap between Patrick and Metcalf is all that big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, BullsandBroncos said: I'd say 3rd but sure Not better than the Raiders. McDaniels and Graham are proven on their sides of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Soggust said: lol so DK's overrated because he has a 60.3% career catch rate, but you rank a guy in Sutton ahead of him who has a career catch rate of 56.1%? I'm willing to give the Denver WRs the benefit of the doubt that they are probably better than their production due to QB, but we are in another dimension pretending any Denver WR is better than Seattle's 1+2. If we are going to make that leap, let's just throw Corey Davis in as a top 10 WR because man it's tough producing with Zack Wilson. Denver's weapons are average at best until they prove otherwise. IF you're in the business of using irrelevant data to come to a conclusion, sure. But his last 2 years are clearly more indicative of his talent level. And I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that Denver's top 2 WRs are better then Seattle's top 2 WRs. But that wasn't the original post was. @FrantikRam said that the Broncos WR's were "significantly worse" then Seattle's. When did WRs only include the top 2? Only when it's convienent to the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) Per: https://sports.va.betmgm.com/en/sports/football-11/betting/usa-9/nfl-35 AFC West Odds: Chiefs -115 Broncos +275 Chargers +400 Raiders +900 AFC North Odds: Ravens: +175 Bengals: +200 Browns: +320 Steelers: +500 It's pretty clear according to the oddsmakers, which is more of a wash. This is with the current moves. If the Steelers can make even a mild move the AFC North odds will be near a total wash. I really doubt Colbert is going to go out and leave Tomlin with Rudolph and an unappealing rookie. Edited March 9, 2022 by wackywabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: IF you're in the business of using irrelevant data to come to a conclusion, sure. But his last 2 years are clearly more indicative of his talent level. And I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that Denver's top 2 WRs are better then Seattle's top 2 WRs. But that wasn't the original post was. @FrantikRam said that the Broncos WR's were "significantly worse" then Seattle's. When did WRs only include the top 2? Only when it's convienent to the argument. If the Broncos offered their three WRs for Lockett and Metcalf I would request high draft picks to even entertain it. So yep - I'm taking Seattle's two over Denver's three any day of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: Ravens finished in last place Hey now let’s refocus on the Broncos and Seahawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 It will be fun watching that division. Still think Mahomes and the Chiefs run out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Not better than the Raiders. McDaniels and Graham are proven on their sides of the ball. McDaniels is proven at messing up a wet dream if his job is more than just calling plays on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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