43M Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 6/7/2020 at 4:55 PM, StLunatic88 said: “Do you know what happens to a Toad when it gets struck by lightning?” you mean to tell me that movie still holds up? Seems like you are looking at it through some nostalgia goggles here. It’s fun, it was cool to see comics get to the big screen (although Blade already did it) but it is not great movie, it’s barely a good movie. So “decent at best” is probably the right way to describe it. And no, the Deadpool’s don’t count. They have a completely different set of X-men than either of the ones you are referring to. Which is just another point against combining the Fox universe with the MCU. If Figie didn’t have a hand in it, it’s unlikely to ever be considered part of the MCU. I agree with most of what youre saying, but the original XMen was still good. The toad thing was terrible dialogue, but for essentially a 90s superhero movie, it wasnt nearly as cheesy as it could have been. It was a great movie FOR ITS TIME, and while I still enjoy it, I will say it hasn't held up as well as X2 has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: It was a great movie FOR ITS TIME, and while I still enjoy it, I will say it hasn't held up as well as X2 has. And THATS the point, X2 stands the test of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, StLunatic88 said: And THATS the point, X2 stands the test of time. Yeah, but I think XMen 1 largely has too. Anyway, one thing I will say is, I hate Anna Paquin as Rogue. She is a mediocre actress with zero charisma. Edited June 9, 2020 by FourThreeMafia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 9:36 PM, FourThreeMafia said: Yeah, but I think XMen 1 largely has too. Anyway, one thing I will say is, I hate Anna Paquin as Rogue. She is a mediocre actress with zero charisma. Yeah, she definitely was a disappointing casting. Especially after growing up with the X-Men animated series version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, D82 said: Yeah, she definitely was a disappointing casting. Especially after growing up with the X-Men animated series version. It wasnt just the casting though, the entire characterization for Rogue was flat wrong from the get. I am really hoping she is the main villain in the next Captain Marvel flick. The only reason Rogue is a hero and not a villain is because she absorbed too much of Carol and she became like Carol not just in power set but in mindset as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: The only reason Rogue is a hero and not a villain is because she absorbed too much of Carol and she became like Carol not just in power set but in mindset as well. That’s a tad hyperbolic. It’s not the only reason. She was a villain bcuz she was being manipulated by Mystique. Edited June 10, 2020 by thrILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: I am really hoping she is the main villain in the next Captain Marvel flick. That would be cool but I don't see it happening. Really though, it may be the only way I see Captain Marvel 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Deadpulse said: It wasnt just the casting though, the entire characterization for Rogue was flat wrong from the get. I am really hoping she is the main villain in the next Captain Marvel flick. The only reason Rogue is a hero and not a villain is because she absorbed too much of Carol and she became like Carol not just in power set but in mindset as well. I dunno...you think they'd basically get rid of her (Carol) after only two movies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, D82 said: I dunno...you think they'd basically get rid of her (Carol) after only two movies? not suggesting they kill her off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: not suggesting they kill her off How would you see that storyline going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, D82 said: I dunno...you think they'd basically get rid of her (Carol) after only two movies? It'd help her character to have Rogue steal and massively weaken her powers. Maybe "Captain Marvel" dies but Carol Danvers lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, D82 said: How would you see that storyline going? Same as the comics more or less. She loses her powers and MAYBE some memories (I would say leave that out of the flicks unless proff X is already MCU established by this point). Have flick #2 end with her losing her powers and have her retreat to whatever base Fury is at and have her skrull buds tell her its permanent. In the after credits, have someone kidnap her, it doesnt have to be the Brood like in the comics. IDK if anyone has ever played Mass Effect 2, but Im picturing the start of the 3rd movie be similar to the opening to that game. Carol wakes up in some lab confused with someone helping her and her powers are back and better than ever, creating Binary. Maybe Monica Rambeau is one of the people helping her escape and at the end of the flick the title of Captain Marvel gets bequeathed to her. Could be Doctor Minerva who was part of the team experimenting on her but realized she needed Carol for something else and decided to help her escape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Same as the comics more or less. She loses her powers and MAYBE some memories (I would say leave that out of the flicks unless proff X is already MCU established by this point). Have flick #2 end with her losing her powers and have her retreat to whatever base Fury is at and have her skrull buds tell her its permanent. In the after credits, have someone kidnap her, it doesnt have to be the Brood like in the comics. IDK if anyone has ever played Mass Effect 2, but Im picturing the start of the 3rd movie be similar to the opening to that game. Carol wakes up in some lab confused with someone helping her and her powers are back and better than ever, creating Binary. Maybe Monica Rambeau is one of the people helping her escape and at the end of the flick the title of Captain Marvel gets bequeathed to her. Could be Doctor Minerva who was part of the team experimenting on her but realized she needed Carol for something else and decided to help her escape. That would be a bold move, and in my opinion, the only kind of move to make. They've pretty much established her as only being able to be defeated by someone with infinity stones, she was handling Thanos in Endgame until he blasted her with the power stone, and this was after single handedly destroying his bigass starship that just leveled Avengers compound. They need to tone down her powers in a big way the same way they did to Hulk and Thor, or all her future movies are going to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: That would be a bold move, and in my opinion, the only kind of move to make. They've pretty much established her as only being able to be defeated by someone with infinity stones, she was handling Thanos in Endgame until he blasted her with the power stone, and this was after single handedly destroying his bigass starship that just leveled Avengers compound. They need to tone down her powers in a big way the same way they did to Hulk and Thor, or all her future movies are going to suck. Agreed, which is why I think a power stealing villain would be best for movie two. It would also be the correct Rogue introduction and give her a Bucky like redemption arc. I have a feeling they are going to slow burn introduce Xmen over the course of a few films before they get their own 'team-up'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Agreed, which is why I think a power stealing villain would be best for movie two. It would also be the correct Rogue introduction and give her a Bucky like redemption arc. I have a feeling they are going to slow burn introduce Xmen over the course of a few films before they get their own 'team-up'. Marvel wouldn't do it because 1) MCU movies aren't that dark and 2) Jessica Jones kind of dived into it but I think it'd be more interesting for a body/mind manipulator to be the villain than a power stealer. Way more traumatic and a much more powerful arc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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