seminoles1 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Stroud really not going to declare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Stroud really not going to declare? It's a very interesting situation. I think he should, it would cost him a lot of NFL money to return and then not go in the top 10 next year, even if he gets a big NIL deal this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Stroud really not going to declare? The only reason he wouldn't is if he can't get over the fact he has never beaten Michigan, never been to a conference championship game, and never won a playoff game. Next year, he likely has a stronger QB class to contend with and, as mentioned, he will lose a lot of money, even with a top-tier NIL deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: The only reason he wouldn't is if he can't get over the fact he has never beaten Michigan, never been to a conference championship game, and never won a playoff game. Next year, he likely has a stronger QB class to contend with and, as mentioned, he will lose a lot of money, even with a top-tier NIL deal. Outside of Caleb Williams, who would be drafted over Stroud? Location is also something Stroud may take into consideration. If he can land an NIL deal and go win a championship next year - then who's to say it won't be worth it? Sure theres a risk of injury - but why live your life in fear? Tua still got drafted top 5 having hip replacement surgery 5-6 months prior to the draft. I'm still scratching my head at scouts in the league considering Levis as a top 5 prospect here. I think Stroud is the best QB in this class and if he drops bc of the "ohio state QB" history - they are all dumb to scout a school, not the player (pat mahomes at texas tech says thank you to the chiefs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 There are mock drafts that point to the Texans getting Bryce young, Colts will levis (LOL) and Raiders taking Stroud. I wouldn't want to play for McDaniels either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 21 hours ago, THE DUKE said: I'm not sold on that I am. I think Young is a more dynamic passer than Murray and Young seems to have the better mentality/IQ/work ethic than Kyler. There was a reason the Cardinals originally put a "work ethic" clause in his contract and the woke media forced them into removing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, RedandPewterReturns said: Outside of Caleb Williams, who would be drafted over Stroud? Location is also something Stroud may take into consideration. If he can land an NIL deal and go win a championship next year - then who's to say it won't be worth it? Sure theres a risk of injury - but why live your life in fear? Tua still got drafted top 5 having hip replacement surgery 5-6 months prior to the draft. I'm still scratching my head at scouts in the league considering Levis as a top 5 prospect here. I think Stroud is the best QB in this class and if he drops bc of the "ohio state QB" history - they are all dumb to scout a school, not the player (pat mahomes at texas tech says thank you to the chiefs) Possibly Drake Maye. So he could be fighting with two prospects for that top spot instead of just one. There's no way that just the money will be worth it, but he may hold a championship as enough to make up the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, RedandPewterReturns said: I am. I think Young is a more dynamic passer than Murray and Young seems to have the better mentality/IQ/work ethic than Kyler. There was a reason the Cardinals originally put a "work ethic" clause in his contract and the woke media forced them into removing it. Was that an actual concern coming out? I know he had baseball during the offseasons, but we're there work ethic concerns? You complaining about "woke" is just as bad, so let's drop that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Possibly Drake Maye. So he could be fighting with two prospects for that top spot instead of just one. There's no way that just the money will be worth it, but he may hold a championship as enough to make up the difference. I didn't think Maye would be eligible til 2025? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Was that an actual concern coming out? I know he had baseball during the offseasons, but we're there work ethic concerns? You complaining about "woke" is just as bad, so let's drop that. I mean there is a reason an organization put that clause in his deal - he plays great for 7 weeks then falls off a cliff come november lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, RedandPewterReturns said: I mean there is a reason an organization put that clause in his deal - he plays great for 7 weeks then falls off a cliff come november lol. I'm talking about as a prospect, not 4 years after he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Just now, seminoles1 said: I'm talking about as a prospect, not 4 years after he was drafted. Pretty sure the baseball thing was a concern. He was only drafted bc of Kliff Kingsbury #1 - not bc he was clearly the best player in the draft but looks like Leadership skills and personality were a concern, per link below. So it was called out somewhere. There were also not many preseaon writeups/scouting reports bc Murray was 100% committed to joining the A's. Going pro to the NFL was a last minute decision in the NFL timeline. WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Kyler Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, RedandPewterReturns said: I didn't think Maye would be eligible til 2025? He was a RS FR this year. So he can declare after next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandPewterReturns Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: He was a RS FR this year. So he can declare after next year. He looks good - but I can't see him going ahead of stroud. Made some big throws this year but super inconsistent against Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, RedandPewterReturns said: He looks good - but I can't see him going ahead of stroud. Made some big throws this year but super inconsistent against Oregon Stroud also had games this year where he was very inconsistent. Point being that right now, all 3 of those QBs would be legitimately jockeying for top spot in the 2024 draft if they all declared for it. So Stroud would have more competition than just Bryce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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