Joe Barry'd again

[incognito_man]

7 hours ago, incognito_man said:

7 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

Once people have decided they hate someone, they just can't see anything else.  Its very hard to get past that and affects most people. 

 

Spoken like someone that I hate so I'm going to disagree with it

I'm kidding, by the way. 

I ♥️ u

[Mazrimiv]

There a plenty of fans who blame Barry for the most recent playoff loss vs SF, so it seems right that there would be fans complaining about the defense allowing 10 points vs the Saints.

[vegas492]

Seems to me like Barry did well this game.  He did the best to contain Thomas and Olave despite having weaker corners out there.

Pass rush was quite good, obviously.

Here's the thing that really ticks me off.  We wasted a lot of Kenny Clark's years playing him on the nose.  That guy has been special once he moved and Slaton took those nose snaps.  

[CWood21]

On 9/24/2023 at 3:55 PM, AlexGreen#20 said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but when we're talking about today, you need to chalk this one up as a positive for Barry if you're being fair. 

Probably so, but it probably also needs an asterisk next to it as well.  That offense was running smoothly with Carr at QB.  And it's sputtered badly once Jameis Winston entered the lineup.  Outside of the last series for the Saints, their offense was miserable.  They ran 25 plays with Jameis Winston in at QB and only managed to get 96 yards.

[Old Guy]

15 hours ago, CWood21 said:

Probably so, but it probably also needs an asterisk next to it as well.  That offense was running smoothly with Carr at QB.  And it's sputtered badly once Jameis Winston entered the lineup.  Outside of the last series for the Saints, their offense was miserable.  They ran 25 plays with Jameis Winston in at QB and only managed to get 96 yards.

Let's not pretend like Carr lit us up when he was in the game. 7 of their points were a punt return. He had 2 more yards passing than Winston. If you minus the sack yardage Winston threw for more yards. Their rating difference and QBR is the one TD pass Carr threw. Winston played a quarter and a half. They had a total of 252 yards. It was not as lopsided as you think. 

We tightened up in run defense in the second half. 

New Orleans Passing

Derek Carr
Jameis Winston
TEAM

 

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	QBR	RTG
13/18	103	5.7	1	0	3-21	67.2	104.6
10/16	101	6.3	0	0	1-8	55.0	80.5
23/34	175	6.0	1	0	4-29	--	93.3

Edited September 26, 2023 by Old Guy

[Old Guy]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:00 PM, Packerraymond said:

This pass rush is going to make it hard for Barry to look bad. Just have to figure out the run defense.

Put enough people in the box to stop it would be a start. 

[Zycho32]

3 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Put enough people in the box to stop it would be a start. 

Well, we might as well live dangerously with a 3-4 alignment and only a One-Deep Safety. I think they call that a Cover 0 or 1?

[craig]

Defensize snap count Sunday was interesting.  61 defensive snaps.   

Averaged 2.33 DL snaps.

Most interesting was that 6th-round rookie Brooks was 2nd in snaps.  Ahead of the more experienced 1st rounder Wyatt.   

1. 28-27-26 for Brooks-Wyatt-Slaton, 10 for Wooden.  
2. There had been lots of talk about Wyatt stepping up and being really impactful, entering the season and through camp.  During the run-gashing Falcons game, Wyatt got tons of snaps. 
3. Versus Atlanta, Brooks was last in snaps, behind all three of Wyatt, Wooden, and Slaton.  So pretty dramatic usage reversal Sunday.  
4. Kind of disappointing that 1st-rounder Wyatt is losing snaps to a no-RAS 6th round rookie.  
5. Brooks is more than two years younger than Wyatt.  
6. We'll see going forward.  May have just been some matchup-specific usage, of course.  And Wyatt had played 48 snaps against Falcons, Slaton 50.  So maybe Barry figured both guys needed some rest?  
7. If it's Brooks geting an earned promotion, though, I kinda admire Barry for being willing, actually.  Wyatt is Gute's first rounder.  I think it's kinda impressive that Barry has the nerve to shift snaps from Gute's 1st-rounder to the no-RAS rookie.  

 

 

[craig]

In the Atlanta game it had been Kenny Clark 61, T.J. Slaton 50, Devonte Wyatt 48, Colby Wooden 36, Karl Brooks 23. 

Wooden 13 more than Brooks, but then 18 less versus Saint.  Big drop for Wooden, 36 to 10, and reversing with Brooks.   Wooden is lightest DL, may end up too small to make it?  Or may be a situational matchup package guy?  Once NO got up 14-0, they weren't in pass-pass, so perhaps not a game for Wooden.  With Wyatt/Slaton snaps in 20's, they didn't need Wooden in for breathers.    

50 snaps vs Atlanta was a lot for big guys like Slaton and Wyatt.  I could imagine Packers wanted to intentionally back that way down on Sunday.  So perhaps Sundays distribution may not be any new normal.  

[Packerraymond]

19 minutes ago, craig said:

In the Atlanta game it had been Kenny Clark 61, T.J. Slaton 50, Devonte Wyatt 48, Colby Wooden 36, Karl Brooks 23. 

Wooden 13 more than Brooks, but then 18 less versus Saint.  Big drop for Wooden, 36 to 10, and reversing with Brooks.   Wooden is lightest DL, may end up too small to make it?  Or may be a situational matchup package guy?  Once NO got up 14-0, they weren't in pass-pass, so perhaps not a game for Wooden.  With Wyatt/Slaton snaps in 20's, they didn't need Wooden in for breathers.    

50 snaps vs Atlanta was a lot for big guys like Slaton and Wyatt.  I could imagine Packers wanted to intentionally back that way down on Sunday.  So perhaps Sundays distribution may not be any new normal.  

Brooks really doesn't have the sand to hold up in the run game either. It's why I'm puzzles at how Gute built this DL room. Probably don't want 6 gameday actives on the DL, but Wooden and Brooks look like quality players at the moment so don't want them down either. Probably going to have to build our run fits around a 1 gap penetrating style to fit those guys skillets as Wyatt is pretty much the same.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

27 minutes ago, craig said:

In the Atlanta game it had been Kenny Clark 61, T.J. Slaton 50, Devonte Wyatt 48, Colby Wooden 36, Karl Brooks 23. 

Wooden 13 more than Brooks, but then 18 less versus Saint.  Big drop for Wooden, 36 to 10, and reversing with Brooks.   Wooden is lightest DL, may end up too small to make it?  Or may be a situational matchup package guy?  Once NO got up 14-0, they weren't in pass-pass, so perhaps not a game for Wooden.  With Wyatt/Slaton snaps in 20's, they didn't need Wooden in for breathers.    

50 snaps vs Atlanta was a lot for big guys like Slaton and Wyatt.  I could imagine Packers wanted to intentionally back that way down on Sunday.  So perhaps Sundays distribution may not be any new normal.  

Could it be that Wyatt was gassed in the 4th quarter in Atlanta, so they are trying to rotate more to keep guys fresh?

Gotta get the most effective guys out there.  Draft status shouldn’t matter.

[MacReady]

This is who you were all defending.

[MacReady]

dEr only such and such points for deR numBer of gamEs.

He’s a joke the minute he plays a team that has an actual QB and if Carr didn’t go out last week, the Saints score 25 or more.

Barry is a joke and this team goes nowhere with him.

[MacReady]

Suddenly crickets from all you losers okay with mediocrity.

Where’s your oNlY such and such points for such and such games now?

The next person who defends Barry in this thread deserves 20 years of mediocrity on defense.

[ChaRisMa]

Worst secondary in the league out there tonight. Rudy Ford is an okay player. He’s supposed to be your worst DB, not your best.