hitnhope Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, beekay414 said: So you don't like guys that get open? Who would want Cooper Kupp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Just now, beekay414 said: I'm not arguing against Flowers YAC ability, my guy. I'm asking why JSN's doesn't translate. Think you're sold on other things regarding JSN than YAC IMO. 1.65 10 split vs a 1.49 for Flowers. The ability to get to top speed instantly translates to YAC in the league. You're drafting JSN for the route running prowess, exceptional hands and boundary awareness and just overall football intelligence. He'll be an average YAC guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Agility and quickness dominance turning into yac in the acc is meaningless in terms of translation. I am lower on jsn than most but his numbers in the b1g are more impressive to me. Edited April 11, 2023 by HokieHigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Think you're sold on other things regarding JSN than YAC IMO. 1.65 10 split vs a 1.49 for Flowers. The ability to get to top speed instantly translates to YAC in the league. You're drafting JSN for the route running prowess, exceptional hands and boundary awareness and just overall football intelligence. He'll be an average YAC guy. Amon-Ra St. Brown - 1.63 10 yard split Davante Adams - 1.64 10 yard split Both top 10 in YAC at WR in the NFL last year. There's more to it than 10 yard splits. EDIT - I'll even add CeeDee Lamb's 1.58 10 yard split to that list. He was also top 10 at WR in YAC. All 3 of those guys posted 4.50 40 times or worse during the draft process as well. All three guys are exceptional route runners. Coincidence? Edited April 11, 2023 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smidgeon Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said: I think we all seem to want JSN this year. Give me Zay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Amon-Ra St. Brown - 1.63 10 yard split Davante Adams - 1.64 10 yard split Both top 10 in YAC at WR in the NFL last year. There's more to it than 10 yard splits. EDIT - I'll even add CeeDee Lamb's 1.58 10 yard split to that list. He was also top 10 at WR in YAC. All 3 of those guys posted 4.50 40 times or worse during the draft process as well. All three guys are exceptional route runners. Coincidence? Don't think any of those 3 are a good comp for JSN. I've already said his ceiling is Diggs. Diggs is an average YAC guy in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I mean the Packers are a HWS team (Wolf was an Al Davis disciple) so it's hard to see them picking a guy because he's good at his craft over a guy at the same position who's a freaky athlete. So if the Packers do pick JSN over QJ it's more because of that 3-Cone than his route running prowess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, Smidgeon said: Give me Zay! I'd take him .. Packers need an elite slot WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 If your looking for speed to take a safety with him, Hyatt is probably your guy. I think they are looking for more of a "Get open on any down" type WR. A player with a complete or nearly complete route tree. A guy who can produce if Watson or Doubs goes down. In that scenario, you are stuck with Hyatt's route tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Don't think any of those 3 are a good comp for JSN. I've already said his ceiling is Diggs. Diggs is an average YAC guy in the NFL. Think you're confusing Diggs in his Buffalo role from Diggs in his Minnesota role. Diggs in Minnesota averaged 4.6 YAC per reception in Minnesota compared to 3.6 in Buffalo. Lamb's YAC last year was 4.54. Justin Jefferson's was 4.8. Tae's was 4.93. ARSB was 5.0. So, if Diggs is his ceiling which Diggs is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 As an overly simplistic way of looking at the top WR's in the draft, who is the closest comp to Adams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: As an overly simplistic way of looking at the top WR's in the draft, who is the closest comp to Adams? None of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: None of them. An overly simplistic answer to an overly simplistic question. Respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 My JSN comp is Greg Jennings. Smart, savvy, can work in the short to mid levels, exceptional cutting ability. Jennings worked a lot more outside but had the same skillset as JSN. Not the fastest guy but had the football IQ to find spots in the zone and live there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, beekay414 said: There's just so much more to the WR position than top end speed. Same as DB and RB. Top end speed should always be the thing that puts players over the top, not the thing that buries them Gosh it's almost like I have JSN still has a top 3-4 WR prospect in this class. I'm doing literally exactly what you are calling for here lol His lack of speed results in me putting a couple other WRs "over the top" of him... Giving a slot WR a late first round value isn't burying him... Edited April 11, 2023 by incognito_man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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