R T Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, craig said: Yeah, we've kind of discussed this before. In a sense, that enables a retroactive rationalization of almost any pick? We all assume they won't take WR or TE. But what if MLF has been telling Gute that a quick COD WR would transform the offense? Or MLF is obsessed that he can't run his offense without a 2-way TE? Once they make the pick, and talk about the guy, we'll see some retroactive logic. As you say, "almost to a fault" may be a possibility? You get 4-5 years of control over a draft pick, and those you like you can extend for another batch of years. But coaches often come and go more quickly, particularly position coaches? I get the skepticism about the retroactive look, but that is what good analysis do regardless of what they are breaking down. Investing, gambling or analyzing the draft, a person should put in ample time to understand where they were wrong as well as where they were right. Not everything needs to happen with first round potential. MLF very well could be in Gutes ear about TE's, but like last year and the need for a WR to take the top off the defense, things can happen outside of the first round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, Chili said: Lots of players have skipped various combine athletic testing measurements so it's hard for me to identify Star position and Corner/Safety hybrid candidates. Who should I be looking out for? Savage did a pretty good job of playing there late in the season and ironically that was when the defense played their best ball of the season. The first player you might want to look at is a guy who made a 30-visit Jammie Robinson. A few others would be Antonio Johnson, Jartavius Martin and Riley Moss. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, R T said: Savage did a pretty good job of playing there late in the season and ironically that was when the defense played their best ball of the season. The first player you might want to look at is a guy who made a 30-visit Jammie Robinson. A few others would be Antonio Johnson, Jartavius Martin and Riley Moss. IMO Where do you think Branch's value lines up? Looking at this class I could see it as early as 20ish. I have him, JSN and Bijan all around the same value point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, craig said: Yeah, we've kind of discussed this before. In a sense, that enables a retroactive rationalization of almost any pick? We all assume they won't take WR or TE. But what if MLF has been telling Gute that a quick COD WR would transform the offense? Or MLF is obsessed that he can't run his offense without a 2-way TE? Once they make the pick, and talk about the guy, we'll see some retroactive logic. As you say, "almost to a fault" may be a possibility? You get 4-5 years of control over a draft pick, and those you like you can extend for another batch of years. But coaches often come and go more quickly, particularly position coaches? This isn't completely incorrect. What we should be doing, or at least what I try to do, is predict what the Packers will do with their picks. When you are given more information, use that information. If there is an outlier, or perceived outlier, you have three options: 1. The model is wrong, and should be dismissed. 2. The model is sound, but some parameters are not perfectly defined. 3. The model is sound, and there is just an outlier that is an exception to the patterns outlined in the model. I think we fall in scenario number two most often. Walker and Wyatt scream Packers, but Wyatt was 24, and Walker played ILB. Turns out, maybe age isn't that much of a factor, and that maybe we shouldn't dismiss some positions in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/12ptwgr/every_packers_predraft_visit_and_top_30_visits_as/ Quote Every Packers Predraft Visit AND Top 30 Visits (As of 4/17/23) Analysis Packers Visits (Total): East-West Shrine Bowl: Toledo DL Desjuan Johnson Michigan State TE Daniel Barker Hula Bowl: Oregon State WR Tyjon Lindsey Lane College Edge Andrew Farmer II Senior Bowl: TCU QB Max Duggan Princeton WR Andrei Iosivas Chattanooga OL McClendon Curtis Florida OL Richard Gouraige Michigan C Olusegun Oluwatimi TCU LB Dee Winters Central Michigan EDGE Thomas Incoom Tropical Bowl: Oklahoma DB Justin Broiles Vanderbuilt S Maxwell Worship NFLPA Bowl: ECU QB Holton Ahlers (3x) NFL Combine: BYU QB Jaren Hall TCU WR Quentin Johnson Michigan State WR Jayden Reed Ohio State WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba (multiple visits) Boston College WR Zay Flowers Houston WR Tank Dell (informal) Tennessee WR Jalin Hyatt (Formal) Alabama WR Jalen Wayne Notre Dame TE Michael Mayer Utah TE Dalton Kincaid (Formal) Georgia TE Darnell Washington (Formal) Oregon State TE Luke Musgrave (Formal) Michigan TE Luke Schoonmaker (Formal) SDSU TE Tucker Kraft Northwestern OT Peter Skoronski (Formal) Ohio State OT Paris Johnson Jr (Formal) Ohio State OT Dawand Jones NDSU OL Cody Mauch Auburn LB Derick Hall Alabama S Jordan Battle Alabama S Brian Branch (Formal) Boise State JL Skinner Oregon State DB Rezjohn Wright (Informal) Iowa DB Riley Moss Georgia CB Kelee Ringo Alabama CB Eli Ricks (Formal) Oregon CB Christian Gonzalez Kansas State CB Julius Brents Iowa EDGE Luke Van Ness Michigan DT Mazi Smith Northwestern DL Adetomiwa Adebawore Texas DL Keondre Coburn Players Pro Day: Utah State QB Luke Bonner Appalachian State LB Nick Hamton Mississippi State Edge Randy Charlton Pittsburg Edge Habakkuk Baldonado Pittsburg DL Deslin Alexandre Iowa State DL MJ Anderson Unspecified: Tennessee QB Hendon Hooker Stanford QB Tanner McKee USC RB Travis Dye Langston RB Tahj Davidson (Informal) Northern Colorado RB Elijah Dotson Northwestern RB Evan Hull (Informal) Southeast Missouri State C Shyron Rodgers Hawaii OL Ilm Manning Florida LB Ventrell Miller Florida S Trey Dean Virtual Visits: Arkansas WR Jadon Haselwood North Dakota WR Garett Maag Iowa TE Sam LaPorta Penn State C Juice Scruggs Minnesota C John Michael Schmitz Maryland OT Jaelyn Duncan Mississippi State DL Cameron Young Top 30 Visits: Offense: QB Hendon Hooker - Tennessee QB Sean Clifford - Penn State RB Keaton Mitchell - ECU RB Lew Nichols III - CMU RB Evan Hull - Northwestern WR Donatayvion Wicks - Virginia WR Tank Dell - Houston WR Cole Tucker - NIU TE Darnell Washington - Georgia TE Dalton Kincaid - Utah TE Michael Mayer - Notre Dame TE Josh Whyle - Cincinnati TE Zach Kuntz - Old Dominion TE Ben Sims - Baylor OT Darnell Wright - Tennessee OG Atonio Mafi - UCLA Defense: LB/S Marte Mapu - Sacramento State DB Tyrique Stevenson - Miami Safety Jordan Howden - Minnesota Safety Jammie Robinson - Florida State EDGE Keion White - Georgia Tech EDGE Will McDonald IV - Iowa State DL Adetomiwa Adebawore - Northwestern DT Jaquelin Roy - LSU Total: 24/30 All Information from @packersinsider_ on Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I've mentioned my love for Isaiah Foskey on here a few times. I enjoy this guy's breakdown of prospects (he has several others for thos interested) and this is a good one on Foskey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Because we need more debate over JSN... @beekay414this hits on a lot of what we've been preaching...the nuances of his game and what he does in the first 5 yards of his route are unteachable. What this guy would do for Jordan Love... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 7 hours ago, incognito_man said: Where do you think Branch's value lines up? Looking at this class I could see it as early as 20ish. I have him, JSN and Bijan all around the same value point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Pack Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Tell me why I shouldn't be pounding the table for Calijah Kancey at 15? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: Tell me why I shouldn't be pounding the table for Calijah Kancey at 15? It would pretty much be the same as pounding the table for Zay Flowers. Those players just aren't in Gute's vocabulary, whether you agree with that or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: Tell me why I shouldn't be pounding the table for Calijah Kancey at 15? There is no comp of a player with arms that short being successful enough to justify taking him at 15. His bust rate is high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: It would pretty much be the same as pounding the table for Zay Flowers. Those players just aren't in Gute's vocabulary, whether you agree with that or not. Brit Pack: Kuh LIE juh KAN see Gute: Kuh Jee lub SAAAN kee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 11 hours ago, packfanfb said: I've mentioned my love for Isaiah Foskey on here a few times. I enjoy this guy's breakdown of prospects (he has several others for thos interested) and this is a good one on Foskey. I like both he and Keion White, a lot. I don't know which I like better. FWIW, in almost every simulation that I have run, both are gone by 45. Both are kind of a tough sell for me at 15, despite how much I like them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I like both he and Keion White, a lot. I don't know which I like better. FWIW, in almost every simulation that I have run, both are gone by 45. Both are kind of a tough sell for me at 15, despite how much I like them both. Honestly, if my guys like JSN and LVN are gone, I'd love a decent sized trade back into the 20s, maybe pick up another 2 or early 3 at worst, then draft Foskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I guess he likes JSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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