NYRaider Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I thought we were top three but I also said the o-line scared me. We had a QB to dependent on a good line so the weapons might not matter. Carr was pretty good last year and has been pretty good this year with a meh offensive line. It's hard to really judge the offense though when our core 4 guys have only played together for like 40 snaps this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 hours ago, NYRaider said: Carr was pretty good last year and has been pretty good this year with a meh offensive line. It's hard to really judge the offense though when our core 4 guys have only played together for like 40 snaps this year. Part of what scared me. We had some injury risks, some questionable talent, to go with questionable depth. If we had good dependable players we would not see this juggling of players. I would argue Carr being good last year and being good this year. He has been average relative to his standards when factoring in the bad o-line. Carr's average is not good. He is in that 12-15 range of QBs and he has not been able to finish games. Not saying he is our biggest problem but he has been a problem at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Part of what scared me. We had some injury risks, some questionable talent, to go with questionable depth. If we had good dependable players we would not see this juggling of players. I would argue Carr being good last year and being good this year. He has been average relative to his standards when factoring in the bad o-line. Carr's average is not good. He is in that 12-15 range of QBs and he has not been able to finish games. Not saying he is our biggest problem but he has been a problem at times. Main issue with Carr is that he's not very mobile and can't create something out of nothing when plays break down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisinBran Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Main issue with Carr is that he's not very mobile and can't create something out of nothing when plays break down. He does it sometimes... just not often lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 43 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Main issue with Carr is that he's not very mobile and can't create something out of nothing when plays break down. Yea the modern nfl almost requires the qb to be willing to run more than once a game and extending plays is very necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaulthe1st Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 10 hours ago, NYRaider said: Carr was pretty good last year and has been pretty good this year with a meh offensive line. It's hard to really judge the offense though when our core 4 guys have only played together for like 40 snaps this year. Your takes on Carr vary wildly from day to day and thread to thread. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 47 minutes ago, jpaulthe1st said: Your takes on Carr vary wildly from day to day and thread to thread. How do they change? I've said that Carr is alright and obviously the situation hasn't been ideal. But he has struggled tremendously in clutch moments this year. I just speak facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Yea the modern nfl almost requires the qb to be willing to run more than once a game and extending plays is very necessary. Recent Super Bowl winning QBs begs to differ Trent Dilfer Tom Brady (however many times) Brad Johnson Big Ben Peyton Manning Eli Manning Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Joe Flacco Russell Wilson Nick Foles Matt Stafford Pat Mahomes Only like 4 of the last 22 SB winners are considered "mobile". Doesn't look like it requires much of anything except being a good passer which almost all of them are good at. Being a good passer >> being a mobile QB - at least, according to those who QB Super Bowl winning teams Edited November 15, 2022 by BobbyPhil1781 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: How do they change? I've said that Carr is alright and obviously the situation hasn't been ideal. But he has struggled tremendously in clutch moments this year. I just speak facts. Little lesson Ive learned in life, is when you hear the same thing from Mult people, stop defending yourself, and try to understand why so many people are saying the same thing. Is everyone out to get you or have many people noticed the same thing? You constantly call Carr a bum, soft, loser, etc . . now youre saying he is alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisinBran Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Recent Super Bowl winning QBs begs to differ Trent Dilfer Tom Brady (however many times) Brad Johnson Big Ben Peyton Manning Eli Manning Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Joe Flacco Russell Wilson Nick Foles Matt Stafford Pat Mahomes Only like 4 of the last 22 SB winners are considered "mobile". Doesn't look like it requires much of anything except being a good passer which almost all of them are good at. Being a good passer >> being a mobile QB - at least, according to those who QB Super Bowl winning teams I would add that being a mobile QB is not so much a requirement as it is to be able to move around in the pocket. Pocket presence is most important, whether you are mobile or not. And I think that's part of the "Being a good passer" you state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, RaisinBran said: I would add that being a mobile QB is not so much a requirement as it is to be able to move around in the pocket. Pocket presence is most important, whether you are mobile or not. And I think that's part of the "Being a good passer" you state. No disagreement from me on that one. Brady is about as mobile as a baked potato but his pocket presence is unreal. These other guys just get caught up in the glitz and glamor that is a scrambling QB but are missing which qualities are actually more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 42 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Recent Super Bowl winning QBs begs to differ Trent Dilfer Tom Brady (however many times) Brad Johnson Big Ben Peyton Manning Eli Manning Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Joe Flacco Russell Wilson Nick Foles Matt Stafford Pat Mahomes Only like 4 of the last 22 SB winners are considered "mobile". Doesn't look like it requires much of anything except being a good passer which almost all of them are good at. Being a good passer >> being a mobile QB - at least, according to those who QB Super Bowl winning teams You're looking back at a different era there too. The NFL is trending to more mobile QBs now. College is littered with them coming out of spread offenses. There are always going to be guys like Stafford. Guys you can win a Super Bowl with, but you won't win one because of them. That is where Carr falls on the spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Yea the modern nfl almost requires the qb to be willing to run more than once a game and extending plays is very necessary. Key words -“modern”, “willing”, “extending” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, RaisinBran said: I would add that being a mobile QB is not so much a requirement as it is to be able to move around in the pocket. Pocket presence is most important, whether you are mobile or not. And I think that's part of the "Being a good passer" you state. Nailed this. The game is still won from the pocket. If your QB can evade pressure, keep his eyes down field and be willing to take a hit, you'll be successful. That's always been my knock on Carr. He curls up when pressured. Gets frantic and will run into sacks. He can be the opposite of poised at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, big_palooka said: You're looking back at a different era there too. The NFL is trending to more mobile QBs now. College is littered with them coming out of spread offenses. There are always going to be guys like Stafford. Guys you can win a Super Bowl with, but you won't win one because of them. That is where Carr falls on the spectrum. Doesn't mean they're better though. The athletic type QBs have been around for quite some time but they're obviously not having the success passing QBs are and that's pretty undeniable. Even more, the QBs who are winning are great throwers of the ball week possess athletic traits. People who are more athletes than throwers aren't as successful. Basically impossible to argue but maybe you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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