JDBrocks Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 My wife is worried that they didn’t get to him fast enough… if they didn’t start cpr soon enough, or if they had to administer for too long there could be lasting neurological effects. I’m wondering if there was some underlying undiagnosed heart condition that the hit/landing exposed. All around terrible night for the NFL. I cant believe anyone thought that a 5 minute warmup was an acceptable suggestion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I am just hearing about this situation now. My thoughts are with Hamlin, his family and everyone in the Buffalo Bills organization. Playing a game is secondary to the health and welfare of players. It sounds like the medical personnel at the game did all they could do. I wonder about the traumatic experience of witnessing the event. I hope the teams on the field are being supported. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 We await further information regarding Bills safety Damar Hamlin, who remains at last word in critical condition at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center after experiencing cardiac arrest on the field during last night’s game. We have nothing at this time to say about any other issues in the NFL, and we have suspended coverage of all other topics or subjects until further notice. ProFootballTalk, this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) just as an aside should any of us ever find ourselves closely witnessing a similar incident, you should immediately do two things: scream loudly for someone to call 9-1-1. don't do it yourself, get someone else to. immediately begin hard and rapid chest compressions, so to artifically circulate blood through the body and into the brain. DO NOT attempt breathing for the patient, it is not necessary and any time you are not doing active compressions you are hurting the chances of healthy survival. there is enough residual oxygen in the blood stream already for a few minutes of brain function, perhaps as much as ten. Edited January 3, 2023 by vike daddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, vike daddy said: just as an aside should any of us ever find ourselves closely witnessing a similar incident, you should immediately do two things: scream loudly for someone to call 9-1-1. don't do it yourself, get someone else to. immediately begin hard and rapid chest compressions, so to artifically circulate blood through the body and into the brain. DO NOT attempt breathing for the patient, it is not necessary and any time you are not doing active compressions you are hurting the chances of healthy survival. there is enough residual oxygen in the blood stream already for a few minutes of brain function, perhaps as much as ten. I'm sure it's implied but you should check for the pulse first and don't worry about hurting the patient 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Cardiac arrest can lead to death if there is no treatment within minutes. This condition is one of the largest causes of natural death in the United States. It is the sudden, unexpected loss of heart function, breathing, and consciousness. Cardiac arrest usually results from an electrical disturbance in the heart. It's not the same as a heart attack. The main symptom is loss of consciousness and unresponsiveness. This medical emergency needs immediate CPR or use of a defibrillator. Hospital care includes drugs, an implantable device, or other procedures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_arrest#:~:text=Cardiac arrest is when the,further treatment can be provided. again... the immediate need for chest compressions is vital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: I'm sure it's implied but you should check for the pulse first and don't worry about hurting the patient that is true. the compressions should be so deep that you feel the ribs flexing. on older people they frequently break. but if you're not compressing that hard, you won't be effective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, vike daddy said: Cardiac arrest can lead to death if there is no treatment within minutes. This condition is one of the largest causes of natural death in the United States. It is the sudden, unexpected loss of heart function, breathing, and consciousness. Cardiac arrest usually results from an electrical disturbance in the heart. It's not the same as a heart attack. The main symptom is loss of consciousness and unresponsiveness. This medical emergency needs immediate CPR or use of a defibrillator. Hospital care includes drugs, an implantable device, or other procedures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_arrest#:~:text=Cardiac arrest is when the,further treatment can be provided. again... the immediate need for chest compressions is vital. Recognizing the need immediately is absolutely paramount especially when it is completely unexpected. This happened in a direct situation i was in, with a sad outcome (other factors involved). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 The medical crew and refs did a heroic job. They cannot be lauded enough. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: The medical crew and refs did a heroic job. They cannot be lauded enough. Truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: The medical crew and refs did a heroic job. They cannot be lauded enough. they got his heart beating again, from a dead stop. that would have been stressful. Edited January 3, 2023 by vike daddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 That's terrible what happened to Hamlin. I have never heard of something like that in all of my years watchin the NFL. Beyond football, it seems there are a lot more cardiac issues in young people nowadays. I wonder what the cause is of the uptick in cardiac issues and young people dying unexpectedly as Hamlin would have if there were not highly trained medical people at the ready. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cearbhall said: I wonder what the cause is of the uptick in cardiac issues and young people dying unexpectedly as Hamlin would have if there were not highly trained medical people at the ready. Diet would be my number 1 concern. The amount of processed sugar and caffeine that the current younger generation (15-35) consume, and have consumed since they were in their mid teens is just insane. I’m 35, and I know I drink too many energy drinks, and I drink coffee every day, but I don’t even come close to what a lot people my age, and younger consume. And my habits of drinking that crap didn’t really start until I was in my early to mid twenties. I can’t imagine what damage would have been done with an additional 10 years of consumption. Especially considering that those are the main development years. Edited January 4, 2023 by SemperFeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Diet would be my number 1 concern. The amount of processed sugar and caffeine that the current younger generation (15-35) consume, and have consumed since they were in their mid teens is just insane. I’m 35, and I know I drink too many energy drinks, and I drink coffee every day, but I don’t even come close to what a lot people my age, and younger consume. And my habits of drinking that crap didn’t really start until I was in my early to mid twenties. I can’t imagine what damage would have been done with an additional 10 years of consumption. Especially considering that those are the main development years. Wow, I didn't know that people your age used message boards. Aren't most people your age into reddit or something instead? I agree that diet has to be a contributing factor to a whole host of preventable ailments. The diet of youths has been poor for a long time though. I don't know that the change in diet over the last couple years has been so sudden to account for the change in youths encountering heart attacks and strokes at such unprecedented levels. While it has been happening to a lot more people lately, it is always alarming when it is a young top flight athlete in prime condition. It is even more alarming when it is seen on national TV. It is hard for people to not notice that. Hopefully Hamlin will recover, but nine minutes is a long time to not have a heartbeat even when medical personal are pumping blood manually via CPR. The league should be doing everything it can to prevent a repeat situation by putting the players through physicals more frequently and making sure checking for heart conditions during those physicals is done completely rather than a simple screening. The NFL and afford EKGs and such. Meanwhile, the league should make sure the medical personal at games are well trained to deal with cardiac arrest and have the proper equipment to do everything they can. From everything we know, the medical personal did a great job with Hamlin but the league should make sure that a great job will always be done. I imagine the doctors NFL team's employee are more used to dealing with orthopedic injuries' and such. Perhaps the NFL should have a cardiology specialist at games similar to how they have neurologists monitoring. Brain injuries are no small matter, but in the end of the day players can live with the effects of concussions while they may not live through a cardiac issue like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) This was a freak accident in which the timing and force of the hit knocked his heart out of rhythm. It has nothing to do with a broader issue as is being suggested. Edited January 4, 2023 by JDBrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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