PrplChilPill Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Still think this was a bad move. They should build the trenches, the OL who plays ~99% of snaps (run and pass plays) is so much more valuable then a blocking TE playing on some run plays. I just don’t understand This. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Snake Plissken said: Disagree with the first part. One player can only do so much. OL problems aren’t on TE any more than on Darrisaw (when healthy) or O’Neill. Agree with not addressing IOL It was an opportunity cost.... Signing a blocking TE that plays less than half the snaps meant they didn't have money for IoL.... Also, an actual OG plays every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Josh Oliver’s $2.5M cap hit didn’t prevent the team from signing another OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, SemperFeist said: Josh Oliver’s $2.5M cap hit didn’t prevent the team from signing another OL. So they just decided not to? Or a starting DL that was good? Or DB? He's done nothing, and is likely to do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithVikings28 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: So they just decided not to? Or a starting DL that was good? Or DB? He's done nothing, and is likely to do nothing. Stop don’t have standards or criticism. People don’t like that here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 11:48 PM, CriminalMind said: Still think this was a bad move. They should build the trenches, the OL who plays ~99% of snaps (run and pass plays) is so much more valuable then a blocking TE playing on some run plays. I just don’t understand Maybe give it more than two games then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 12:41 AM, KeithVikings28 said: Stop don’t have standards or criticism. People don’t like that here. actually we have very honorable standards, which you discovered yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, wcblack34 said: Maybe give it more than two games then. How many games do you want to give it? Before calling it a non optimal allocation of resources edit: optimal Edited September 16, 2023 by CriminalMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: How many games do you want to give it? Before calling it a non optional allocation of resources I think the word you are looking for is “optimal”, and I would like to see the team healthy before passing final judgement. in a vacuum, Oliver has played well for someone taking up 1.1% of the salary cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: How many games do you want to give it? Before calling it a non optional allocation of resources I don’t know. But I’m not one to complain about a move that didn’t prevent them from making one single other move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I'm just curious as to when Modkins starts taking the blame. He's the RB coach and run game coordinator and the running game has gotten worse the longer we go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, swede700 said: I'm just curious as to when Modkins starts taking the blame. He's the RB coach and run game coordinator and the running game has gotten worse the longer we go on. I blame him and O’Connell more for the issues with the run game than I do Kwesi and players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, SemperFeist said: I blame him and O’Connell more for the issues with the run game than I do Kwesi and players. That's where I'm leaning to myself. I think the fact that the running game wasn't all that effective with Dalvin last year and that's continued (and even gotten worse) despite the emphasis on improving it with the addition of Oliver means it has to be the scheme that's the problem, not the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wundy Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, swede700 said: That's where I'm leaning to myself. I think the fact that the running game wasn't all that effective with Dalvin last year and that's continued (and even gotten worse) despite the emphasis on improving it with the addition of Oliver means it has to be the scheme that's the problem, not the players. I think the issue is two-fold, the run game appears worse when they do try to run which is leading them to not even attempt to run the ball. Mattison is a rhythm runner and needs to get into a groove but how many times can you give him the ball with little to no results? We don't run the ball because we're bad at it and we're bad at it because we don't run the ball Edited September 18, 2023 by Wundy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) I agree to an extent, but it wasn't very effective last year either. I think this last game it was necessary to get away from running the ball because of how far they were behind, however, in most situations, KOC is going to have to learn how to stick with it and not abandon it completely. Because, like it or not, they have to learn how to run the ball to put teams away. Passing the ball a lot tends to lead to shorter drives and then puts their defense in bad situations and wears them out(which certainly happened this last game). It's the old adage of games being decided on running the ball and stopping the run. Edited September 18, 2023 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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