Jakuvious Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Why would it be 11 million in 24 and not like 2.75 each of the 4 voided years? When the contract ends all money on the voided years accelerate. It's the same as a signing bonus for a cut player, as soon as they're cut any of the signing bonus that hasn't hit the cap yet hits as soon as they're cut. So in theory, sure, it's 2.75M each year, but in theory it's also a 5 year contract, but as soon as it voids after year one everything left hits the cap. For another example, look at Javon Hargrave with Philly. They're paying all that dead money this year, even though he had multiple void years on his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, Dome said: I don’t really care about the money on a one year deal. This point in the season, teams know who else they may want to target and some likely know they can splurge a bit. It's mostly going to cost them money next year, not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Jakuvious said: When the contract ends all money on the voided years accelerate. It's the same as a signing bonus for a cut player, as soon as they're cut any of the signing bonus that hasn't hit the cap yet hits as soon as they're cut. So in theory, sure, it's 2.75M each year, but in theory it's also a 5 year contract, but as soon as it voids after year one everything left hits the cap. For another example, look at Javon Hargrave with Philly. They're paying all that dead money this year, even though he had multiple void years on his deal. The next big thing is creating void years on contracts that void June 1, just wait 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Forge said: The next big thing is creating void years on contracts that void June 1, just wait Eagles kind of already do that. They push the date it auto-voids back just a little bit, so then instead of it voiding, they have the option to cut the player, designate them a June 1st cut, and spread the cap hit over 2 years. It isn't always reported well because most media outlets don't actually understand how the cap works, if we're being honest. But they've already done that with, IIRC, Fletcher Cox and Jason Kelce. For sure Cox, at least. I know the newest deals for Kelce and Graham allow for the same. Either a June 1st cut or a post June 1st retirement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, Jakuvious said: Eagles kind of already do that. They push the date it auto-voids back just a little bit, so then instead of it voiding, they have the option to cut the player, designate them a June 1st cut, and spread the cap hit over 2 years. It isn't always reported well because most media outlets don't actually understand how the cap works, if we're being honest. But they've already done that with, IIRC, Fletcher Cox and Jason Kelce. For sure Cox, at least. I know the newest deals for Kelce and Graham allow for the same. Either a June 1st cut or a post June 1st retirement. Kelce was the one I was thinking of and why I think that yes going to catch on and be a bigger thing across the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 If this deal isn't basically tied into getting a Lamar extension to the finish line then spending big on OBJ while planning for Tyler Huntley at QB is a really weird/bad move -- but if this is one of the main dominos needed to get the Lamar deal closed, then it's worth overpaying for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnVy_CaLiBeR Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Don’t see the Ravens making this kind of move if they didn’t believe Lamar was coming back or they have a move in the works to get one of the top QBs in the draft. No point in signing him only for Huntley to be throwing to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 One hell of a job by Odell and his agent keeping his name out there and getting him this kind of money, even if only for 1 year. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Given how he ended that season with the Rams (a few key plays in a SB victory) I’d say he picked right. More money and a super bowl ring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, Forge said: The next big thing is creating void years on contracts that void June 1, just wait Can’t wait until the saints make some contract that has dead money in 2078 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Forge said: Kelce was the one I was thinking of and why I think that yes going to catch on and be a bigger thing across the NFL For sure. Honestly, I'm sure there probably are some already, just kind of hard to notice if not deliberately looking for it, since it's not the kind of thing that's going to be put in contract announcement tweets. Like, I know KC's contracts super well, but have no reason to know most others. Except Philly's which are just...fun. I will say, I'm glad KC hasn't really dove into this much. They dabbled a bit with going all in after the first super bowl, but pulled back since, and it's nice that last year didn't come at the cost of excessive dead cap every year going forward. Like, a couple teams that have aggressively gotten the ball rolling on this, I don't really know how they're going to find a proper year to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Forge said: Signing bonuses and option bonuses always escalates after a player is cut / traded or in this case, leaves when the contact voids But also leave the option open for another extension to help with the abruptness of the escalating money… another saints specialty. Put in void years and bet on yourself and the player that you will rework the deal before the escalation deadline and they will be on the team for at least some of the void years, thus preventing the escalation penalties Edited April 10, 2023 by Dome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonserinNC Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, iknowcool said: One hell of a job by Odell and his agent keeping his name out there and getting him this kind of money, even if only for 1 year. Excellent plan...a super bowl, followed by a year vacation, then a big money prove it year, for a contender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, EnVy_CaLiBeR said: No point in signing him only for Huntley to be throwing to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Solid signing and if he comes close to being a solid no.1 WR and plays well enough to earn a second contract, good. If he bombs out and gets injured again, oh well 1 year deal flier where the ravens *needed* to add WR talent. Odell rebounding after spending 2 years recovering from a torn ACL wouldn't surprise me but that's entirely up to Lamar and the OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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