StatKing Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, incognito_man said: he's really not. not if you watch the game closely the entire offense is maddeningly inconsistent. The majority of those "terrible" throws people think they see are attributable to bad routes. Love has gotten skittish the last few weeks (for good reason), but he needs to work on consistency with his footwork and not moving himself into trouble he doesn't need to. The deep passing game is as much WRs fault as his. His interception today? the guy has his BACK to the QB and came away w/ the INT because Jayden Reen literally handed him the football. People see the box score, but not the actual on-the-field play. Anyone who thinks Jordan Love is personally playing brutally doesn't really understand football. He's been absolutely fine. He's made some wow throws and he's made some really bad throws. He's missed some reads lately, but showed the ability to progress through a route tree when not being murdered by free-running DE. The offense is beyond frustrating because we have one player who is not on a rookie contract (Aaron Jones) who has missed more than half the snaps this year himself. The penalties put this offense in situations that are totally unmanageable game after game. The only way anyone can get a proper read (and therefore able to make an informed comment) is if you've watched the all-22. It's nearly impossible to judge any of the skills on that side of the ball right now because the entire product is such a mess. But Love is probably our 4th best offensive player right now. He's not playing brutally and anyone who tells you that truly doesn't understand the situation or actual football (or both). This is what you call coping people. You know it's bad when they are giving Love credit for basic quarterback skills. Edited October 30, 2023 by StatKing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, ET80 said: How about we add in Sam Howell and get ace to join this party...? To be fair. Sam Howell actually looked good yesterday. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Danger said: To be fair. Sam Howell actually looked good yesterday. He's looked good more often than not this season too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Trey Lance said: Right. I haven't watched GB games this year. Some people can't think, I swear lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, TitanLegend said: Love is early in his career, particularly starts wise, so he has time to fix it, but there does eventually come a time where "X didn't do this right, it's not his fault" "this play call was the problem, not his play" doesn't really cut it. Those things can be and probably is in a lot of the cases, true. But there comes a point where that's just not cutting it. To be a franchise QB, you have to elevate your team above the problems it has. Saw this first hand quite recently with Mariota in the Titans fan base. Mariota was better than his box score stats indicated his last couple years in Tennessee. He made more good plays than the stats indicated. He was a victim of receivers messing up, Terry Robiskie being stuck in 1954 with his play calls at times, etc, etc, all of that was true..but he never reached a point where he elevated those around him. You're not looking for a QB that only succeeds when everything around him is running at a high level. Which is likely what results in everyone outside of the fanbase who watches every snap of the QB piling on to him. As fans did with Mariota. As they're doing with Love. As was done with probably any other first round QB who is looked at as just meh or whatever. For a QB to be accepted by the wide majority of NFL fans as good(or better), they have to make good plays out of bad play calls sometimes. They have to make mediocre WRs look good. I think I tend to agree more with you and Love(and someone like Ridder) needs more time before everyone just piles on them with the bad label, but probably also fair to note that it's year 3 for him and he got to spend 2 years watching one of the best to ever play the position(and is of course in year 3 of this system), so more is probably expected of him than, say, if he were your first round pick this season. This is all very fair and I agree with it. But again, I'll point back to real experts at the QB position who week after week point out what a mess the entire offense is and how Love is playing pretty fine right now (with some clear mistakes for sure). But people who think this is all on Love or that he's struggling badly aren't REALLY watching the games. He's impossible to evaluate in this offense the past 4 weeks because his OL and pass catchers have been THAT bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 why does it keep saying incognito man replied to me here for both of his last two messages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 "Jordan Love has a bad completion%" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Christian Watson kinda sucks he definitely sucks at contested balls. Bad, bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Danger said: To be fair. Sam Howell actually looked good yesterday. He's quite easily the best of the trio. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 17 hours ago, CWood21 said: Imagine for a MOMENT that poster(s) who NEVER post when Love was playing well, but suddenly the offense (and Love) struggle and they're right there to shove it down our throats. You take your lumps both when they're playing well and playing poorly. Not just when it's convenient. I mean, this happens in literally every two sided debate on this forum. I don't know why you act like this situation is remotely unique. 13 hours ago, incognito_man said: he's really not. not if you watch the game closely the entire offense is maddeningly inconsistent. The majority of those "terrible" throws people think they see are attributable to bad routes. Love has gotten skittish the last few weeks (for good reason), but he needs to work on consistency with his footwork and not moving himself into trouble he doesn't need to. The deep passing game is as much WRs fault as his. His interception today? the guy has his BACK to the QB and came away w/ the INT because Jayden Reen literally handed him the football. People see the box score, but not the actual on-the-field play. Anyone who thinks Jordan Love is personally playing brutally doesn't really understand football. He's been absolutely fine. He's made some wow throws and he's made some really bad throws. He's missed some reads lately, but showed the ability to progress through a route tree when not being murdered by free-running DE. The offense is beyond frustrating because we have one player who is not on a rookie contract (Aaron Jones) who has missed more than half the snaps this year himself. The penalties put this offense in situations that are totally unmanageable game after game. The only way anyone can get a proper read (and therefore able to make an informed comment) is if you've watched the all-22. It's nearly impossible to judge any of the skills on that side of the ball right now because the entire product is such a mess. But Love is probably our 4th best offensive player right now. He's not playing brutally and anyone who tells you that truly doesn't understand the situation or actual football (or both). I think this whole post counts as bargaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I agree that Jordan Love needs more time. But this is the problem you run into when you wait so long to evaluate your 1st round QB. He's about to be 25 years old and only has 1 more year under contract. If the Packers finish with a top-5 pick, do you want to run the risk of passing on a QB all to give Love your full support for one more year with no guarantee you'll be picking that high again in 2025? And I believe there will be a lot of competition for QBs in the coming years between injuries, poor play, and aging starters across all teams, so it is better to strike when the opportunity presents itself than to wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Packer fans weren't affording these excuses to Justin Fields last year. Seems dishonest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, iknowcool said: I agree that Jordan Love needs more time. But this is the problem you run into when you wait so long to evaluate your 1st round QB. He's about to be 25 years old and only has 1 more year under contract. If the Packers finish with a top-5 pick, do you want to run the risk of passing on a QB all to give Love your full support for one more year with no guarantee you'll be picking that high again in 2025? And I believe there will be a lot of competition for QBs in the coming years between injuries, poor play, and aging starters across all teams, so it is better to strike when the opportunity presents itself than to wait. There's zero chance GB is looking at a 1st round QB. But generally I agree with your statement. Love isn't that guy, though. People love to hate him on here because of me (which is fine). I'm a realist though and bag on the players who deserve it. I supplement expert takes with what I see myself and Love is a MUCH better QB than the box score (and thus 98% of posters here who surprisingly can't consume football with a lick of nuance) think. Time will show this to be true. He has talent (albeit young and wildly inconsistent talent) around him. GB needs to add a blue chip LT to replace Bakh this off-season more than anything. Could use a new OC and RG, too. OL is struggling BADLY. Jordan Love gonna be a fine QB in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, malak1 said: Packer fans weren't affording these excuses to Justin Fields last year. Seems dishonest. Apples and grenades. Fields is a run first QB. Very different skillsets. That being said, I was among many GB fans who, at the end of last year (after 1.5yrs of starts) thought he still had a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 This is exactly why you don’t wait four years to evaluate a quarterback. He’s young in reps and experience but not contract or age. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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