pgwingman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 On 12/26/2023 at 6:32 PM, ReasonablySober said: Matt Miller of ESPN currently has 14 players with first round grades QB: Caleb Williams, USC (No. 1) Comp: Aaron Rodgers Drake Maye, North Carolina (No. 7) Comp: Justin Herbert Jayden Daniels, LSU (No. 😎 Comp: Lamar Jackson RB: None WR: Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State (No. 2) Comp: A.J. Green Rome Odunze, Washington (No. 9) Comp: Ja'Marr Chase Malik Nabers, LSU (No. 10) Comp: Stefon Diggs Keon Coleman, Florida State (No. 11) Comp: Drake London TE: Brock Bowers, Georgia (No. 6) Comp: George Kittle OT: Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State (No. 3) Comp: Terron Armstead Joe Alt, Notre Dame (No. 4) Comp: Mitchell Schwartz Tyler Guyton, Oklahoma (No. 14) Comp: Lane Johnson Interior offensive line None Edge: Dallas Turner, Alabama (No. 5) Comp: Josh Allen Laiatu Latu, UCLA (No. 12) Comp: Matthew Judon Defensive tackle: Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois (No. 13) Comp: Justin Madubuike Linebacker: None Cornerback: None Safety: None This draft is setting up a little like last year's draft. It felt like last year there were 12 blue chip prospects and we sat 13th. I liked Lukas Van Ness, but it felt like he was the best 2nd rounder. This year it feels like we'll be selecting the best 2nd rounder with a top 20 pick again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 On 12/26/2023 at 5:32 PM, ReasonablySober said: Matt Miller of ESPN currently has 14 players with first round grades QB: Caleb Williams, USC (No. 1) Comp: Aaron Rodgers Drake Maye, North Carolina (No. 7) Comp: Justin Herbert Jayden Daniels, LSU (No. 😎 Comp: Lamar Jackson RB: None WR: Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State (No. 2) Comp: A.J. Green Rome Odunze, Washington (No. 9) Comp: Ja'Marr Chase Malik Nabers, LSU (No. 10) Comp: Stefon Diggs Keon Coleman, Florida State (No. 11) Comp: Drake London TE: Brock Bowers, Georgia (No. 6) Comp: George Kittle OT: Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State (No. 3) Comp: Terron Armstead Joe Alt, Notre Dame (No. 4) Comp: Mitchell Schwartz Tyler Guyton, Oklahoma (No. 14) Comp: Lane Johnson Interior offensive line None Edge: Dallas Turner, Alabama (No. 5) Comp: Josh Allen Laiatu Latu, UCLA (No. 12) Comp: Matthew Judon Defensive tackle: Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois (No. 13) Comp: Justin Madubuike Linebacker: None Cornerback: None Safety: None This seems a bit too overly critical of the class. Probably about 5-6 guys that I think he's missing. The notable omission seems to be Kool-Aid McKinstry, and admittedly I'm not overly high on him. I think you could probably include Emeka Egbuka [WR; Ohio State] as a potential FRP, but that's nitpicking. Taliese Funga [OT; Oregon State] and Amarius Mims [OT; Georgia] seem like pretty obvious omissions. I don't love this EDGE class, but you can probably have Jared Verse [DE; Florida State] and Chop Robinson [EDGE; Penn State] in there as well. I want to go back and watch Nate Wiggins [CB; Clemson] some more, but he seems like at worst a late FRP. And that doesn't include Kalen King [CB; Penn State] and Cooper DeJean [CB; Iowa] as potential FRPs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, CWood21 said: This seems a bit too overly critical of the class. Probably about 5-6 guys that I think he's missing. The notable omission seems to be Kool-Aid McKinstry, and admittedly I'm not overly high on him. I think you could probably include Emeka Egbuka [WR; Ohio State] as a potential FRP, but that's nitpicking. Taliese Funga [OT; Oregon State] and Amarius Mims [OT; Georgia] seem like pretty obvious omissions. I don't love this EDGE class, but you can probably have Jared Verse [DE; Florida State] and Chop Robinson [EDGE; Penn State] in there as well. I want to go back and watch Nate Wiggins [CB; Clemson] some more, but he seems like at worst a late FRP. And that doesn't include Kalen King [CB; Penn State] and Cooper DeJean [CB; Iowa] as potential FRPs. Agreed, especially Fuaga and Mims. I wouldn't mind either of those in the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) As the Packers slide down later in the draft, MacReady's draft crush CB/S Cooper DeJean, is looking increasingly sensible. If you could draft just one high-ish pick (day 1 or 2) on the o line, which position would you choose to upgrade - center, guard, LT type or RT type (which might be fairly interchangeable) ? I have switched between OT/RT in the first or second round (Latham, Guyton etc), Guard in the 2nd/3rd round (Cooper Beebe, Donovan Jackson) and Centers Van Pran, Frazier and Powers-Johnson in rounds 2 (Van Pran) 3 (Frazier) and 4 (P.J). Edited December 28, 2023 by OneTwoSixFive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) These media draftniks should just stop using the term "first round grade" and say something like "tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, …" instead. We have these pointless debates about who has RD1 value every year. If you rate a player among the top 32 available players, he has a "first round grade" for that draft. Edited December 28, 2023 by Mazrimiv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: These media draftniks should just stop using the term "first round grade" and say something like "tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, …" instead. We have these pointless debates about who has RD1 value every year. If you rate a player among the top 32 available players, he has a "first round grade" for that draft. Phew ! At least it wasn't me that got triggered by this, like I usually am. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Marvin harrison jr / aj green comp is the best one ive seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, OneTwoSixFive said: Phew ! At least it wasn't me that got triggered by this, like I usually am. Or I guess we could cancel the rest of RD1 after 14 picks since none of the other players are good enough to be picked that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: These media draftniks should just stop using the term "first round grade" and say something like "tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, …" instead. We have these pointless debates about who has RD1 value every year. If you rate a player among the top 32 available players, he has a "first round grade" for that draft. Or...and hear me out, players that don't have first round grades can go in the first round. There's not 256 players on a team's board that have draft able grades, but those players can still get drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I guess 18 teams will be reaching with their RD1 picks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: I guess 18 teams will be reaching with their RD1 picks this year. You're not completely wrong. Tiers are probably a better way to describe them, but those tiers generally break out something similar to what others are saying. Tier 1 is your top 5 prospects, Tier 2 is your top 10 prospects, etc. You just don't like calling a guy who is a Tier 5 (or whatever) an early Day 2 prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: We have these pointless debates about who has RD1 value every year. I dont remember *anybody* who engaged in a pointless debate about who had RD1 value. *Nobody* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, OneTwoSixFive said: As the Packers slide down later in the draft, MacReady's draft crush CB/S Cooper DeJean, is looking increasingly sensible. If you could draft just one high-ish pick (day 1 or 2) on the o line, which position would you choose to upgrade - center, guard, LT type or RT type (which might be fairly interchangeable) ? I have switched between OT/RT in the first or second round (Latham, Guyton etc), Guard in the 2nd/3rd round (Cooper Beebe, Donovan Jackson) and Centers Van Pran and Powers-Johnson. I can be wrong about prospects...very wrong...but.... I have a hard time believing that DeJean won't be a high end safety in the league for at least a dozen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, OneTwoSixFive said: As the Packers slide down later in the draft, MacReady's draft crush CB/S Cooper DeJean, is looking increasingly sensible. If you could draft just one high-ish pick (day 1 or 2) on the o line, which position would you choose to upgrade - center, guard, LT type or RT type (which might be fairly interchangeable) ? I have switched between OT/RT in the first or second round (Latham, Guyton etc), Guard in the 2nd/3rd round (Cooper Beebe, Donovan Jackson) and Centers Van Pran and Powers-Johnson. DeJean would fit like a glove at the "Star" position. Send Nixon on down the road or special teams only and insert this kid at nickel corner on a full time basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReasonablySober Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Whether someone carries a first round grade or they're in tiers one through three, it's really just semantics. I think people understand what Miller is saying when he lists 14 guys with first round grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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