vikesfan89 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Would the Vikings have gotten any more if Smith didn't announce his departure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: Would the Vikings have gotten any more if Smith didn't announce his departure? Probably. But not a significant amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, vikesfan89 said: Does this mean that they are close to an extension with Hunter? I don’t about “close”, but i certainly am fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 21 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Probably. But not a significant amount. Like maybe we could've kept our 7th lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I haven't had a chance to look at the details. Would the Vikings have saved more cap by cutting Smith than the amount of cap they get back by trading him to the Browns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: I haven't had a chance to look at the details. Would the Vikings have saved more cap by cutting Smith than the amount of cap they get back by trading him to the Browns? Not likely, but it does depend on how much salary the Vikings retained. That number hasn’t been reported yet. A straight trade would take $12.1M off of the Vikings books, while a release would save them $7.1M Im guessing that the Vikings are probably retaining around $5M of salary, making the cap savings a wash, but getting a couple of improved draft picks out of the situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Jeremy Fowler@JFowlerESPN Cleveland combed pass-rush market, including free agency. Found Z Smith strong fit. Smith had two other suitors but found chance to play opposite Myles Garrett appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 The Cleveland Browns trade for edge rusher Za’Darius Smith won’t become official until Monday. There are still contract-related details that are uncertain at this point in time including whether the Minnesota Vikings will pickup any of Smith’s salary and whether GM Andrew Berry has agreed to an adjusted contract with his new defensive lineman. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/5/14/23723007/nfl-trade-rumor-zadarius-smith-browns-vikings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) I don't think people should necessarily complain about the retained salary, because you're forgetting that this gets them out of his cap impact in 2024, which according to overthecap would have been ~$21M. I think people are continuing to lose sight over the fact that Kwesi is playing the long game. This isn't about 2023. This is about 2024 and beyond. Edited May 15, 2023 by swede700 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 A couple of thoughts. 1. Z would have been nice here for this season. Vikings could have done what the Browns did with his contract, but they did not want to guarantee Smith the 11m+ the Browns did. 2. They couldnt just trade him to the highest bidder, he had to go where Z would like to play because he would just be disgruntled there too. So in that aspect, that limited the vikings in the type of return they could get. 3. So when you combine #1 where they didnt want to guarantee the money due to whatever reason and with #2 where the options of where he could be traded are limited to the teams willing to work with him on a new deal; I think getting what they got back in the deal was pretty solid. A 2024 5th is not nothing; we've seen those turn into productive players before. And a 6th +7th for a 5th is something you do all day, every day. So in conclusion, shoulder shrug. I have confidence in Flores to generate pressure and I'd like to see what young players can do. All that said, they should probably give Hunter a raise and an extension. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, battle2heaven said: All that said, they should probably give Hunter a raise and an extension. And they couldn't do that with Za'darius on the team. This frees up some ability to do that, as the Vikings are only now (depending upon the retained salary) carrying just over $3M in dead money for Za'darius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 so vikings current 2024 picks 1st 2nd 4th (lions) 4th** 5th (chiefs) 5th (browns or panthers pick, not confirmed yet) 6th traded picks 3rd - traded for Hock 4th** this goes to eagles if Reagor has 40 recs or 500 yards or 5tds. if he doesnt, then our 5th goes to eagles 7th - traded for mullens I'm curious if that pick we got back from the browns is the panthers 5th. that would be a lot better!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, swede700 said: And they couldn't do that with Za'darius on the team. This frees up some ability to do that, as the Vikings are only now (depending upon the retained salary) carrying just over $3M in dead money for Za'darius. well yeah. but there were other avenues to free up money. whatever happens to Dalvin is going to free up money. And Oneill restructure frees up money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: well yeah. but there were other avenues to free up money. whatever happens to Dalvin is going to free up money. And Oneill restructure frees up money. Restructuring causes issues down the road, so you don't want to do that if you don't have to. Certainly whatever happens to Dalvin will free up money, but his contract lasts longer than Za'darius' did, and he still has more value to the Vikings that Za'darius ever did, in tenure and in the locker-room, so you are going to treat him differently. You're not going to punish him just to get more money for Danielle. It's far more likely that Dalvin's cap savings will all end up going to JJ as part of his extension. Edited May 15, 2023 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gnat Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I don't mind the return. And I don't mind the move. We have the depth at edge after signing Davenport. And we got a few more chips for a trade in the draft next season, or just draft chips overall. I wish it would have been a 4th instead of two fifths, but it is what it is. Thanks Smith for one year, you'd probably have liked this defensive scheme better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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