PrplChilPill Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, swede700 said: They got something for a player who clearly didn't want to be on the team this year and definitely would not have been on the team in '24. And he's 30 yrs old (turns 31 before Week 1) with a significant recent injury history. That's far from a joke. That's a pretty good deal. It's fine. I don't think getting two fifths, even w/o giving up picks to move up, is a pretty good deal. It's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It's fine. I don't think getting two fifths, even w/o giving up picks to move up, is a pretty good deal. It's fine. it's not a pretty good deal, you're right. it is accurate to say though that it's the best we could get for him. disappointing? sure, definitely. but his value throughout the league diminished considerably, and i'll wager he doesn't have any great significance to the Browns after 5 or 6 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It's fine. I don't think getting two fifths, even w/o giving up picks to move up, is a pretty good deal. It's fine. It's all about perspective. As VD sort of indicated, based on what the expectation was, I believe it's a pretty good deal, adding in all the details surrounding it. If he were 27 yrs old or never had back or knee injuries, yes, it would be disappointing. But then again, he'd probably never have been here in the first place...he'd still be in Green Bay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VikeManDan Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 22 hours ago, VikeManDan said: I'll take a crack at it. Vikings cap space pre trade: $1,096,457 Z's cap savings: $10,386,861 ($12,156,861 - $1,770,000) Vikings cap space post trade: $11,483,318 OTC has it at $11,136,318. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP_allday2869 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ozzy said: Trade a Pro Bowl edge rusher and a 6th/7th rounder for two freaking 5th round picks. What a joke. Odd how NFL trading works, clearly they just did not want the contract, but obviously got almost nothing in return for him... Obviously then they will get slim to nothing for Cook as well if he is traded. Oh man; we got rid of a chronically injured player, who literally didn't contribute in the second half of the year, from our seemingly historically bad defense. For shame! Edited May 17, 2023 by AP_allday2869 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, AP_allday2869 said: Oh man; we got rid of a chronically injured player, who literally didn't contribute in the second half of the year, from our seemingly historically bad defense. For shame! The bolded is untrue. I agree with the trade, but he was still generating pressures (20 in weeks 1-8, 17 in weeks 9-17) and hurries (4 in weeks 1-8, 7 in weeks 9-17). Sack numbers didn't pop, but he was still an effective pass rusher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Just now, JDBrocks said: The bolded is untrue. I agree with the trade, but he was still generating pressures (20 in weeks 1-8, 17 in weeks 9-17) and hurries (4 in weeks 1-8, 7 in weeks 9-17). Sack numbers didn't pop, but he was still an effective pass rusher. While I won't say that he didn't contribute, he certainly wasn't the same player. I also find it real hard to take "hurries" as something serious (and pressures subsequently since hurries are part of it), because it is so open to interpretation by the person watching the film. It's almost egregious in this situation because the middle of the field was so wide open a half second into the play really was it being caused by pressure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, swede700 said: While I won't say that he didn't contribute, he certainly wasn't the same player. I also find it real hard to take "hurries" as something serious (and pressures subsequently since hurries are part of it), because it is so open to interpretation by the person watching the film. It's almost egregious in this situation because the middle of the field was so wide open a half second into the play really was it being caused by pressure? Pressures are a better indicator of successful pass rushing (Hurries + knowckdowns + sacks) than raw sack numbers are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Just now, JDBrocks said: Pressures are a better indicator of successful pass rushing (Hurries + knowckdowns + sacks) than raw sack numbers are. That's certainly true, but I will take knockdowns and sacks more seriously than the hurries, because those are things that are easily observed and verified. Hurries can vary from person to person watching the same exact tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Hurries are a worthless stat. They can be recorded while not having any meaningful or positive impact on the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Hurries are a worthless stat. They can be recorded while not having any meaningful or positive impact on the play. disagree. It generally means that you won your individual assignment, regardless of what the rest of the team did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 On 5/17/2023 at 1:35 PM, AP_allday2869 said: Oh man; we got rid of a chronically injured player, who literally didn't contribute in the second half of the year, from our seemingly historically bad defense. For shame! I have no issue getting rid of him but trading him along with two other draft picks to get two draft picks in return seems like what is the point? Only a contract bail because the difference between a 5th rounder and a 6th or 7th rounder is not much at all. I just do not see why one would have to put in a 6th and a 7th rounder with a Pro Bowl player, sure he is old and gets hurt but is the best pass rusher on the team last year and will start on Cleveland next year opposite Garrett. Are the Vikings getting a starter back, absolutely not so why give a 6th and a 7th with Smith? It just makes no sense in terms of pure players and the trade, so obviously it was a contract bail out only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 At this point in the year, I wonder what Leonard Floyd or Yannick Ngakoue would cost on one year deals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: At this point in the year, I wonder what Leonard Floyd or Yannick Ngakoue would cost on one year deals? or Justin Houston in a rotational pass rush role. He can still ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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